Biden administration will REMOVE William Penn statue in Pennsylvania

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5 months ago 01/08/2024 1:21pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

We have some incredibly uneducated people in this forum. You do not have to agree with the Confederate cause to understand that they did, in fact, have way more loyalty to state than to the United States. Stop showing how little you know by downvoting these statements.

Also, there were MANY racists in both the north and south. It was not just confined to the south. Their livelihood was based upon cotton and farming so the relied on slaves. Also, a pretty small amount of the population could actually afford slaves.

While we are talking about educating some of you, there was also money made off of slaves in Africa. These are the people that sold the slaves to the white people.

Slavery was an institution worldwide for most of the existence of humans. It does not make this horrid institution right but don't be a fool enough to believe it started in the US. In fact, go to the continent of Africa now and you will find slavery. Mauritania outlawed slavery in 1981 but it is still practiced there.

5 months ago 01/08/2024 1:23pm EST

re: As usual

As usual wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
We have the diaries and letters of the soldiers and for every one you can find that fought for slavery you will find 10 that fought for other reasons most often because their home was invaded.
Why do you think the infinite amount of things you're completely ignorant about are "lies"?
And please spare me you ignorant opinions on Robert E. Lee. You don't have to personally like someone or agree with their cause to acknowledge their greatness at what they did.
He was always heavily outnumbered, always had inferior equipment and logistics, and still managed to win every major battle he commanded prior to Gettysburg.
Pickett's charge almost worked and it very well might have ended the war. He knew it was a risk and he thought it was worth it.
Newsflash: Pretty much EVERYONE was racist in 1860. Even Abraham Lincoln.
Slavery was an economic system. The south fought to preserve it's economy. It wasn't just about racism and only idiots think this.
What?
Newsflash....the south started the Civil War. They seceded and fired the first shots. BS about them being invaded.
Maybe if you weren't dead set on being POS racists, fighting to keep black people as slaves, you wouldn't have had your a** kicked.

Racism has nothing to do with historical accuracy you lazy moron.

The south seceded from the Union. The Union chose to fight and the Union chose to send an army into the South to force them to bend the knee.

Regardless of what ignorant simpletons like yourself think in 2023 the South considered federal troops entering their states after the secession as an invasion.

5 months ago 01/08/2024 1:28pm EST

re: owlty

owlty wrote:
We have some incredibly uneducated people in this forum. You do not have to agree with the Confederate cause to understand that they did, in fact, have way more loyalty to state than to the United States. Stop showing how little you know by downvoting these statements.
Also, there were MANY racists in both the north and south. It was not just confined to the south. Their livelihood was based upon cotton and farming so the relied on slaves. Also, a pretty small amount of the population could actually afford slaves.
While we are talking about educating some of you, there was also money made off of slaves in Africa. These are the people that sold the slaves to the white people.
Slavery was an institution worldwide for most of the existence of humans. It does not make this horrid institution right but don't be a fool enough to believe it started in the US. In fact, go to the continent of Africa now and you will find slavery. Mauritania outlawed slavery in 1981 but it is still practiced there.

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]-that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality."

That's Abraham Lincoln in 1858.

Anyone who thinks the north was woke and the south was evil and racist in 1860 is a f*cking idiot.

Pretty much EVERYONE was racist in 1860.

Everyone knew slavery was wrong. They didn't know how to end it without destroying their economy.

5 months ago 01/08/2024 1:30pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

People living in 1860 wanting to preserve slavery are no different than the leftist morons today running around whining about global warming while they use fossil fuels and pretend half the stuff they love isn't made by slave labor conveniently out of view.

5 months ago 01/08/2024 1:33pm EST

re: slow at 95

slow at 95 wrote:
Only a Member of the "Cult" would believe that Biden, made the single decision to remove a statue from a public park !!

Only a dumas such as yourself cannot distinguish between 'Biden' and the 'Biden Administration'.

5 months ago 01/08/2024 1:38pm EST

re: Should they rename the state?

Should they rename the state? wrote:
Link:www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12936...
Total BS. William Penn founded Pennsylvania as a haven for religious liberty. Nothing wrong with a statue of him in the state freaking named after him. But in comes Biden who wants to erase our history and hate it. What history is even safe at this point? Every white person who lived before 2010 is probably an unforgiveable bigot with no redeeming qualities according to these people

From what I’ve read, Welcome Park is an eyesore, and a major renovation is being planned that won’t include the William Penn statue. Meanwhile, a 36’ statue of Penn located on top of City Hall, ain’t going anywhere.

There are plenty of news outlets covering this story, but you picked the sh*tiest one to link.

5 months ago 01/08/2024 1:44pm EST

re: 4:20 is not that fast

4:20 is not that fast wrote:
Should they rename the state? wrote:
Link:www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12936...
Total BS. William Penn founded Pennsylvania as a haven for religious liberty. Nothing wrong with a statue of him in the state freaking named after him. But in comes Biden who wants to erase our history and hate it. What history is even safe at this point? Every white person who lived before 2010 is probably an unforgiveable bigot with no redeeming qualities according to these people
From what I’ve read, Welcome Park is an eyesore, and a major renovation is being planned that won’t include the William Penn statue. Meanwhile, a 36’ statue of Penn located on top of City Hall, ain’t going anywhere.
There are plenty of news outlets covering this story, but you picked the sh*tiest one to link.

inquirer.com

William Penn statue may be permanently removed from Welcome Park, angering some

@PhillyInquirer

Plans call for removal of the Penn statue in favor of “an expanded interpretation of the Native American history of Philadelphia.”

Link:www.inquirer.com/news/william-penn-sta...

They're removing it and replacing it with "an expanded interpretation of the Native American history of Philadelphia".

Let's not pretend they're just cleaning up the park.

Much of Philadelphia is a hell hole. Surely there's more useful ways to spend this money.

5 months ago 01/08/2024 1:49pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

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PHILADELPHIA HAS THE MOST HORRIBLE LOOKING SLUMS IN THE UNITED STATES

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Video:www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4sVPvhrIJE

We're the richest nation the world has ever seen.

We're $34 TRILLION in debt.

Yet most of our cities look like this while we spend those trillions in tax dollars on the dumbest most inconsequential sh*t imaginable.

5 months ago 01/08/2024 1:59pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
4:20 is not that fast wrote:
From what I’ve read, Welcome Park is an eyesore, and a major renovation is being planned that won’t include the William Penn statue. Meanwhile, a 36’ statue of Penn located on top of City Hall, ain’t going anywhere.
There are plenty of news outlets covering this story, but you picked the sh*tiest one to link.
Link:www.inquirer.com/news/william-penn-sta...
They're removing it and replacing it with "an expanded interpretation of the Native American history of Philadelphia".
Let's not pretend they're just cleaning up the park.
Much of Philadelphia is a hell hole. Surely there's more useful ways to spend this money.

Sure, but the statue of Penn is the largest of any located on the top of a building in the U.S. Any other statue of him in Philadelphia is irrelevant.

5 months ago 01/08/2024 2:02pm EST

re: 4:20 is not that fast

4:20 is not that fast wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Link:www.inquirer.com/news/william-penn-sta...
They're removing it and replacing it with "an expanded interpretation of the Native American history of Philadelphia".
Let's not pretend they're just cleaning up the park.
Much of Philadelphia is a hell hole. Surely there's more useful ways to spend this money.
Sure, but the statue of Penn is the largest of any located on the top of a building in the U.S. Any other statue of him in Philadelphia is irrelevant.

The Taliban didn't tear down the biggest statue first either.

5 months ago 01/08/2024 2:03pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Video:www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4sVPvhrIJE
We're the richest nation the world has ever seen.
We're $34 TRILLION in debt.
Yet most of our cities look like this while we spend those trillions in tax dollars on the dumbest most inconsequential sh*t imaginable.

Fetterman’s base in all its glory.

5 months ago 01/08/2024 2:29pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
4:20 is not that fast wrote:
Sure, but the statue of Penn is the largest of any located on the top of a building in the U.S. Any other statue of him in Philadelphia is irrelevant.
The Taliban didn't tear down the biggest statue first either.

You really think the Penn statue on top City Hall, is going to removed? And no, crazier thing haven’t happened.

5 months ago 01/08/2024 2:29pm EST

re: ComedyreIeaf

Quakers don't believe in having statues anyway. A statue of William Penn is disrespectful to the man's religion.

5 months ago 01/08/2024 3:51pm EST

re: Snowflake

Snowflake wrote:
Are you going to cry op snowflake?

Frank Rizzo would love putting his foot up your a$$.

5 months ago 01/08/2024 4:23pm EST

re: 4:20 is not that fast

4:20 is not that fast wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
The Taliban didn't tear down the biggest statue first either.
You really think the Penn statue on top City Hall, is going to removed? And no, crazier thing haven’t happened.

I don't even think it's beyond the stupidity of the left to try to have faces blown off Mount Rushmore to appease their idiot base.

5 months ago 01/08/2024 4:26pm EST

re: traitors no sympathy

traitors no sympathy wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Robert E. Lee was offered command of the Union army. He declined. Not because he wanted to defend slavery but because he would not take up arms against his home.
Except he did take up arms against his home.

Minor detail.

5 months ago 01/08/2024 4:30pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
4:20 is not that fast wrote:
You really think the Penn statue on top City Hall, is going to removed? And no, crazier thing haven’t happened.
I don't even think it's beyond the stupidity of the left to try to have faces blown off Mount Rushmore to appease their idiot base.

If the mountain was in a blue state they would have done it already.

5 months ago 01/08/2024 4:59pm EST

re: LACRI

phillyyimby.com

Looking Back at the Originally Intended Placement of the Statue of William Penn atop City Hall

The statue of William Penn has stood at the very top of Philadelphia City Hall in Center City for well over a hundred years, facing northeast. The large figure of the Quaker was crafted by sculptor Alexander Milne Calder, who...

Link:phillyyimby.com/2021/08/looking-back-a...

5 months ago 01/08/2024 5:01pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
mussibini wrote:
Taking down statues of traitors does not mean that they "don't exist". Imagine thinking that you can only learn history by erecting statues. Try reading a book.
The Confederate statues were NOT built for any other reason than white supremacy
You've quite obviously never read a book on the Civil War in your life.

You sound as if you were the author of the book, "Slavery Defended - The Views of the Old South"

5 months ago 01/08/2024 5:05pm EST

re: TheAdultInTheRoom

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
Video:www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4sVPvhrIJE
We're the richest nation the world has ever seen.
We're $34 TRILLION in debt.
Yet most of our cities look like this while we spend those trillions in tax dollars on the dumbest most inconsequential sh*t imaginable.

TheRacistInTheRoom picks one block in a city with thousands of blocks as proof that most cities in America look like this.

Another lie to the thousands that you have already told.

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