That’s a big difference. Poverty is not $35k but $25k and Arizona is much much cheaper to live than Colorado.
What actually accounts for the difference is not academics but CU is more hi-tech focus and those salaries are probably the highest of all professions, many making more than doctors.
If you are a high schooler or recruit reading this thread, keep in mind it is basically a recruitment thread, so take everything you read with a grain of salt
Every 17 year old boy who ran 9:20 last spring wants to attend NAU without any idea auot the academics. Parents and guidance counselors should provide information to kids so that they can make informed decisions. Your opinion that it is trite and tired does a huge disservice to kids. Many posters recommend that kids should attend the best academic school that they can get admitted to. That is the opposite side of the discussion. I want every family to have all fom the facts when making a decsision. I live in Wisconsin. Half of the men's roster are guys from Wisconsin. I was shocked when talking to another Dad at our cross country banquet last month who is a very smart man and has a son who ran 9:30 last spring. He and his son assumed that NAU was on par with Wisconsin academically and athletically merely due to being D1 and becuase it is so good at distance running. They follow other sports and hadn't realy thought about academics.
Graduates don't stay in Colorado and Arizona. They go where the jobs are just like why the cross country runners go to Arizona and Colorado to attend school and run where the good teams are.
If you are a high schooler or recruit reading this thread, keep in mind it is basically a recruitment thread, so take everything you read with a grain of salt
It’s the reverse, if you are a recruit we want you to read This thread! See other threads about duke, okst, cu and even Florida. NAU is the place to be recruits.
It's not as if this would apply to many recruits. Beyond being obvious, on the boys side is so steep only a small handful of HS recruits actually have a chance of getting invited let alone getting scholarship money. Remember, only 11.8 full scholarships spread among the entire mens team. You either need to be a Young or Hasty to get $$$. The girls get 18 so this thread may be more relevant for HS gals.
People get testy every time that the topic of academics comes up. Somebody posted the data to show how much less kids earn who graduate from NAU as compared to CU. The data is there to show how much more people earn over a lifetime from better schools. Of course the college matters. NAU is the right fit for many kids. But a kid with a 4.0 and 34 on his ACT is making a terrible decision to go there. Kids with a 19 on their ACT it make sense.
Yes a lifetime. If a kid comes out of NAU earning $40K and his peer comes out of UCLA earning $75K, this will impact him for life. Ten years later the NAU kid is at $60K and the UCLA kid is at $125K. The UCLA kid has $200K socked away while the NAU kid has none.
Lol. Half of CU is trust funders that have “jobs” at Dad’s company.
as an NAU grad I have to admit there weren't many trust fund kids when I went there, but that's because Arizona State was the target school for all the rich Arizona kids. low admission standards plus a reputation as one of the top party schools in the country, we would visit sometimes on weekends and walk around the campus. the student parking lots was like an exotic car show - BMW's, Range Rovers, Porches.
meanwhile NAU was like a used Honda Civic convention.
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Yes a lifetime. If a kid comes out of NAU earning $40K and his peer comes out of UCLA earning $75K, this will impact him for life. Ten years later the NAU kid is at $60K and the UCLA kid is at $125K. The UCLA kid has $200K socked away while the NAU kid has none.
lol…who says they have 200k socked away? Are you managing everyone’s money?
this is so wildly broad and hypothetical.
Maybe the ucla grad has higher taxes, loans, mortgage, cost of living
Post college you either want to work hard in life and be happy with your work or you don’t. you’ll make money regardless
Or maybe the UCLA kids has $300K saved by then. And maybe his taxes, loans, mortgage, and cost of living are lower. You are throwing in a bunch of controllable factors. College grads can live wherever they choose. They don't have to stay near their college. The fact is that NAU is a low ranked school. The fact is that the student body is also inferior to the student bodies of the majority of D1 schools. The fact is that graduates of NAU earn far less than the graduates of the majority of D1 schools. Those are all facts that kids should be aware of prior to enrolling.
I agree with you. An uninformed college decision will cause a lifetime of unhappiness.
Absurd…lifetime?? (stop being so dramatic)
college is essentially a joke…you end up carving your career path regardless of where you go or how much your tuition is.
A smaller, less academically competitive school is the perfect fit for many
So tired of every NAU thread getting derailed by academic snobs.
Maybe not everyone can afford CU and live in Boulder. Tuition is high, rent is ridiculous I have a friend who's child pays over $1,800/mo for their room in a 4 bedroom apartment in Boulder, 1/2 her friends leave to go study abroad while paying rent in their absence and also in country. etc etc. Bottom line parents have $$$$
NAU on the other hand is a WUE school meaning if you live on the west coast you can attend for just over in state tuition. Rent is not ridiculous. Another friends child pays $550 for their room in a house in Flag.
So yes maybe graduating from CU may give you a higher staring salary once graduating but how much debt do you have, can you afford to live there? Obviously full ride kids are a different story. But what about the athlete that's good but not full ride good.
Maybe that athlete has great grades and could run for Princeton etc but doesn't want to live all the way across the country and pay out the nose for tix home for Christmas or be so burned out academically that they quit the sport because doing both is too much?
Maybe they value team culture and dirt paths and a coach who gives a sh*t about them unlike so many out there.
Not everyone wants to live in Oklahoma or the East coast or rainy Seattle? So many factors go into choosing a school and community that fits each person.
Get over the snobbery- the person I personally know that makes THE most money didn't even go to college but busted their butt day in and day out in a great career. The next most wealthy was a communications major from a small not highly rated college. Success is more than what's on your diploma.
If you can afford the expensive school and have the grades great, more power to you. Let those that can't be.
Yes a lifetime. If a kid comes out of NAU earning $40K and his peer comes out of UCLA earning $75K, this will impact him for life. Ten years later the NAU kid is at $60K and the UCLA kid is at $125K. The UCLA kid has $200K socked away while the NAU kid has none.
If I go to NAU and make As, then attend UCLA Anderson MBA program, I can make the same $200k starting package that the other grads make.
Or maybe the UCLA kids has $300K saved by then. And maybe his taxes, loans, mortgage, and cost of living are lower. You are throwing in a bunch of controllable factors. College grads can live wherever they choose. They don't have to stay near their college. The fact is that NAU is a low ranked school. The fact is that the student body is also inferior to the student bodies of the majority of D1 schools. The fact is that graduates of NAU earn far less than the graduates of the majority of D1 schools. Those are all facts that kids should be aware of prior to enrolling.
Even if what you are making up were true…ucla still sucks