Criticism of the pacers is a bit bizarre to me…if you watch the race video, they went out in 55.56 and had totally gapped the field, no one wanted to go with them. The French pacer dropped back to a slower pace because he saw no point in running way out front of a group that wasn’t committed to the pace—don’t think you guys are assigning the blame correctly here.
The pacing lights broke at about 55 secs, the pacers were in the blue zone and the leaders were in green. From there the pacers looked flustered and maybe panicked they were running ahead of lights. To my eye the speed varied greatly, Jakob even looked restricted at points. Obviously the lights breaking was a big factor.
Criticism of the pacers is a bit bizarre to me…if you watch the race video, they went out in 55.56 and had totally gapped the field, no one wanted to go with them. The French pacer dropped back to a slower pace because he saw no point in running way out front of a group that wasn’t committed to the pace—don’t think you guys are assigning the blame correctly here.
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Exactly! No one, including Jakob, went with the pacemakers.
So when Nuguse set PB in such a "slow" race he should be satisfied. He has shown he is in the very top at the world. I will say he is no 2 after Jakob. He has beaten most of the top milers apart from the 2 Cheruiyots.
But we will be wiser after DL Bislett where Tim reportedly participates. I think Jakob will try to run fast in front of his home crowd. My guess is that Jakob will beat Tim convincingly in Oslo.
Thank you. And closed his last 200 as fast as Jakob. Very good run for him.
Amazing how the narrative has changed.
3 days ago : Jakob's time is up, he as no speed and won't be able to handle Nguse's kick, U-S-A, U-S-A
Today : Great run from Nguse. Beat Hoare and his kick was as fast as Jakob's.
Yup and wejo's "closed as fast as Jakob" factoid neglects to mention the fact that Jakob was checking all the way over his shoulder with about 50m to go wondering where the hell everyone else was, and then visibly slowing before the line. There's enough pressure on Nuguse without making excuses in a race where he was comprehensively beaten.
And really, all this 'he'll know better for next time?' chat. What is there to learn here? Jakob didn't start pushing seriously ahead until about 150m to go, it's not like he surprised everyone with some unexpected move at 800m! Having said all that, excited to see how it goes in Oslo, and exciting to see Nuguse collect some pretty decent scalps in that race.
Yup and wejo's "closed as fast as Jakob" factoid neglects to mention the fact that Jakob was checking all the way over his shoulder with about 50m to go wondering where the hell everyone else was, and then visibly slowing before the line.
Actually just watched it again- he turned to look for the others 3 separate times in the last 50m and was already celebrating with his arm up well before the finish, this was not a guy gunning for the line. I hereby declare the 'closed as fast as Jakob' defence utterly unusable.
Actually just watched it again- he turned to look for the others 3 separate times in the last 50m and was already celebrating with his arm up well before the finish, this was not a guy gunning for the line. I hereby declare the 'closed as fast as Jakob' defence utterly unusable.
Notice the theme he found in the first place. Americans are obsessed with closers, as if they magically envision a locomotive on the outside. I'm American but that mythology never ceases to amaze or amuse me.
IMO, the steady demise of horse racing played a role. If you bet closers at the track you do nothing but tear up tickets every day. But since younger Americans didn't grow up with racing as a mainstream sport they never learned that lesson.
Nuguse didn't impress me at all by remaining behind Hoare. If he genuinely intended to win he needed to be stalking Jakob. But like so many American middle distance types they are petrified of risking anything until the closing meters.
Poor Nuguse. So much hope for him. Inge didn't even break a sweat. Well theres at least Kessler who looks promising for the US.
Ingebritsen wins in 3:32.59, Nuguse 2nd in 3:33.02 PB. I'd say that's a decent outing against arguably the best 1500 runner & ahead of other good athletes. I'll also say that you should GFY.
Nuguse is probably pretty happy he’s gone from struggling with NCAA competition to being a favorite to medal at worlds in a year.
He’s acquired himself nicely. He’s shown he can beat Katir, Hoare, and Garcia Romo. We need to see how he compares to Cheryuit head to head and, of course, Wightman/Kerr when they’re on their game, but last time this year he didn’t even compete at NCAA’s because he was chronically injured. Now he’s the 2nd-4th best 1500m guy in the world. Not bad at all
I never start threads making negative statements about any athlete. You gals & guys force me to make less than pleasant statements about athletes because too many of you say over the top comments. Over the top comments must come from the athlete or blood relatives or close friends.
Nuguse is not a favorite to medal. Show me betting odds backing up your statement. Nuguse may medal but certainly not favored to medal.
You allow randos on the internet to manipulate your opinions and thoughts?
Looks to me that they were pacing using the lights but then there was a technical flaw and the lights stopped working. Then the pacers thought they were ahead of the lights. Duh! Get Eric!
Nuguse proved in his 3:47 race that he can kick hard in a fast race, so at full strength he'll test both Jakob and Tim. He won't let himself be gapped again in a race that goes out in 2:52, I trust. From his interview, it is clear that he knows that he can compete and that he has more work to do and he is doing it (ON did 1k's at tempo + 200s after the race).
Nuguse proved in his 3:47 race that he can kick hard in a fast race, so at full strength he'll test both Jakob and Tim. He won't let himself be gapped again in a race that goes out in 2:52, I trust.
This is the thing I don't get, I keep seeing the idea that he was 'gapped' or caught out in some way. The actual 'gap' didn't appear until approx 100-150 to go, Goose had almost the entirety of the bell lap to pass Hoare and sit on Jakob or kick into the lead or whatever the plan was meant to be. Instead, the top three stay very close together and Jakob essentially does a short finishing sprint, noone can keep up, and all the folk on the board are like "ah yes, Nuguse will learn from this". If he doesn't already know to 'speed up at the end of the race', I think there are many more lessons to be learned.
Actually just watched it again- he turned to look for the others 3 separate times in the last 50m and was already celebrating with his arm up well before the finish, this was not a guy gunning for the line. I hereby declare the 'closed as fast as Jakob' defence utterly unusable.
Notice the theme he found in the first place. Americans are obsessed with closers, as if they magically envision a locomotive on the outside. I'm American but that mythology never ceases to amaze or amuse me.
IMO, the steady demise of horse racing played a role. If you bet closers at the track you do nothing but tear up tickets every day. But since younger Americans didn't grow up with racing as a mainstream sport they never learned that lesson.
Nuguse didn't impress me at all by remaining behind Hoare. If he genuinely intended to win he needed to be stalking Jakob. But like so many American middle distance types they are petrified of risking anything until the closing meters.
Nuguse ran as if the plan was simply to see if he could handle the pace of a DL race and kick off it absent any one particular entrant. He ran with the guy he knew he could run with (Hoare) and kicked past him. He didn't run with the guy he doesn't know....and still doesn't know...if he can hang with.