y'all realize Chmiel was absolutely falling apart right? She started flailing wildly and went from 78 to 88 second pace for that curve 100m. Amaris couldn't help but pass. Honestly, she probably should have ask Kelsey if she was okay. Kelsey didn't deserve the win today.
Thank you. Why did it take so long in this thread for someone to point out that Chmiel was absolutely rigging because she had gone so hard so early. Tyynismaa couldn't help but sail by her. Great job by both!
Cray has an axe to grind against AT, couldn't be more obvious. Time to grow up little boy. But what do expect from NCS fans - every Touhy thread brings out the weirdo fans, why should this one be any different.
Amaris letting Chmiel do all of the work until the last 100 meters and then take what would have been her one and only ACC title just sucked.
First if all, Chmiel kicked a lap earlier but it is not like she lead the whole race from the gun.
And, Chmiel already has an ACC title. She is the 2023 5k Indoor champion.
I find this thinking that Amaris did something wrong BY WINNING truly bizarre.
Chmiel is a tough competitor and I doubt she would want to win just because someone else didn't give it their all, on purpose.
There are a number of disparate emotions popping up in the team. These are the top distance runners in the country. Henes makes every effort to downplay the obvious friction that arises between multiple stars that were used to winning most of their HS races. That’s why she makes every effort to not show excessive enthusiasm at every Tuohy win/record. I’ve noticed the intramural jealousies of an all-star team with a clear superstar in their midst. AT was a rising star at Alabama that joined an already established national championship team and some like Chmiel may resent it. The way this race ended just brought out the seething friction that existed already. Chmiel may be facing the end of her running career. She’s clearly very gifted, both athletically and academically. She saw this race, sans Tuohy, as a chance to pick up another well earned ACC title. She clearly made some tactical mistakes and Amaris took advantage as you’d expect of a top tier NCAA athlete. The team dynamics may have suffered but this isn’t AT’s fault. She just disrupted what was once an apparent pecking order. Chmiel may no longer be a clear #2. This may create a question about what will be the NCSt XC season. Will Tuohy or Chmiel still be there? What will Amaris’ position be with or without Tuohy? Will a third national title be at risk? Will Starliper transfer out?
Chmiel (and how is that pronounced? Give the announcers a break) needs to relax her arms and face out there. That was painful to watch. An absolute textbook case of why relaxation is important in distance running. Tynismaa, by contrast, was relaxed and so could use her kick.
Chmiel was third at XC nationals and was just again a double first team all-american in the 5000 and 3000 at indoors this past indoor season. Like I expressed earlier, she may just be going through some injuries but is still a very strong candidate to AA again.
Not sure why people are so intent on reading into a simple race, although team gossip is admittedly a fun subject. In running everyone, including teammates, race to win. Absolutely nothing unusual about that. Kelsey outraced Tuohy a few times in 2022, and why not? Of course Kelsey was trying to win, but the idea that she has some seething resentment because she got outraced by a teammate is silly.
Kelsey leads the last few laps, does all the work getting past runners while Amaris sits behind her drafting. Then on the home stretch with the finish line in sight and Chmiel clearly spent from all that work, Amaris suddenly kicks it into high gear and passes Chmiel for the win.
Chmiel seemed really surprised to see her teammate go by her, then after the race it looks like Amaris is kinda freaking out, like she realized what she did, goes over to Chmiel and apologizes.
perhaps much ado about nothing, but interesting.
(also, watch at 16:55 when Amaris almost gets run over by lapped runners)
Chmiel was third at XC nationals and was just again a double first team all-american in the 5000 and 3000 at indoors this past indoor season. Like I expressed earlier, she may just be going through some injuries but is still a very strong candidate to AA again.
Not sure why people are so intent on reading into a simple race, although team gossip is admittedly a fun subject. In running everyone, including teammates, race to win. Absolutely nothing unusual about that. Kelsey outraced Tuohy a few times in 2022, and why not? Of course Kelsey was trying to win, but the idea that she has some seething resentment because she got outraced by a teammate is silly.
I’m thinking Chmiel just wasn’t happy with how her race went and some frustration with the outcome but at the same time she was not upset with Tynnismaa in any way. Chmiel seems very reserved and stoic and I just don’t see her as a team leader reacting that way toward a teammate. I really do not like the title of this thread as it is stirring up needless gossip.
Thankful that Tynnismaa didn’t get DQ’d for what happened at the finish but didn’t NC State get DQ’d for something similar in a DMR a couple of years ago?
Good grief, some people make something out of nothing. Do you even run?
He plainly states, 'maybe no big deal here'. "But interesting", indeed. After all, we are 3 pages into discussing something.
No, a few people are rehashing a big nothing to do about nothing, including you. Very dumb post. Making something out of nothing. Congrats to you for being part of it!
Chmiel was third at XC nationals and was just again a double first team all-american in the 5000 and 3000 at indoors this past indoor season. Like I expressed earlier, she may just be going through some injuries but is still a very strong candidate to AA again.
Not sure why people are so intent on reading into a simple race, although team gossip is admittedly a fun subject. In running everyone, including teammates, race to win. Absolutely nothing unusual about that. Kelsey outraced Tuohy a few times in 2022, and why not? Of course Kelsey was trying to win, but the idea that she has some seething resentment because she got outraced by a teammate is silly.
I may be wrong but last time Chmiel outraced Tuohy goes back to 2021 XC season. I believe it’s been one sided Tuohy ever since.
Chmiel always has a pained combative expression on race day. You can't tell what she is thinking.
But far more interesting was the post interview clip where Tyynismaa walks over toward a coach and another North Carolina State runner. She puts her left arm around the coach's neck and anticipates a warm congratulations. It was anything but that. The coach barely smiles or acts like someone whose runners just finished 1-2. She gestures while obviously discussing something that happened during the race, or perhaps afterward. Tyynismaa senses the tension and removes her left arm from behind the coach's neck. The trio seems uncomfortable that the camera is still there and may be catching the conversation:
Sorry but I don't see any of that. I guess it just goes to show the power of suggestion. The OP plants the seed and people suddenly see the figure in the carpet.