There’s a big difference between schools today and schools in the 1970s-1990s. To get kids to enroll in your school and have the recruiting equivalent of a college program vs having a homegrown program is drastically different. Most of the current schools that are mentioned in this thread do not have teams comprised of kids that live in their boundaries. What school has done the most with the kids that live within their boundaries and are supposed to go there? I don’t have the answer, but that’s the real question here. It’s also not just a question for track or XC.
Oh, I agree! Times have completely changed! It's not uncommon to see a top runner change school these days. Which was unheard of decades ago.
So, in a way I don't think these modern times are as impressive when you are able to pick and choose your local runners; I respect more the teams that used homegrown talent. Many of the York (Elmhurst, IL) should be up there. But many of their top teams never ran in NXN because it wasn't invented yet.
They probably weren't even the best team in the championship race that year. They actually beat a team that had the same average time and a tighter spread. A real anomaly.
They probably weren't even the best team in the championship race that year. They actually beat a team that had the same average time and a tighter spread. A real anomaly.
I thought the CBA team of 2012 was better, but they were not ready for the quagmire that was the national race that year.
The team that finished second at the NJMOC to CBA's second string, Holmdel, was coached by CBA's current cross country coach.
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They probably weren't even the best team in the championship race that year. They actually beat a team that had the same average time and a tighter spread. A real anomaly.
I thought the CBA team of 2012 was better, but they were not ready for the quagmire that was the national race that year.
The team that finished second at the NJMOC to CBA's second string, Holmdel, was coached by CBA's current cross country coach.
The conditions at 2012 NXN were absolutely awful. You can tell that by looking at the times of everyone.
American Fork was in the lead for a while in the second half of the race
With those awful conditions, it was anyone’s race, really
1. Newbury Park CA, 2021 - 29 2. Newbury Park CA, 2022 - 66 3. Loudoun Valley, VA 2018 - 77 4. Loudoun Valley, VA 2017 - 89 5. Christian Brothers, NJ 2011 - 91 6. York 2004, IL - 91 7. Arcadia 2010, CA - 92 8. Southlake Carroll 2011, TX - 95 (2nd at NXN) 9. Bozeman 2016, MT - 105 10. Arcadia 2012, CA - 108 11. Fayetteville-Manlius 2014, NY - 111 12. Gig Harbor 2013, WA - 111 13. Saratoga Springs 2005, NY - 111 14. Great Oak 2015, CA - 114 15. Great Oak 2018, CA - 114 (2nd at NXN) 16. Littleton 2018, CO - 115 (3rd at NXN) 17. Cheyenne Mountain 2021, CO - 121 (2nd at garmin) 18. American Fork 2012, UT - 122 (2nd at NXN) 19. Neuqua Valley 2007, IL - 125 20. Coatesville 2006, PA - 126 21. Los Alamos 2007, NM - 127 (2nd at NXN) 22. Fayetteville-Manlius 2004, NY - 127 (2nd at NXN) 23. Newbury Park 2019, CA - 128 24. Great Oak 2019, CA - 132 (2nd at NXN) 25. North Central 2008, WA - 134
The teams were ranked accordingly to how well they performed at NXN compared to other teams they raced that year.
I also wanted to point out that a lot of people in this thread were correct in predicting the best teams of all times (CBA 2011, Loudon Valley ,Newbury Park)
1. Newbury Park CA, 2021 - 29 2. Newbury Park CA, 2022 - 66 3. Loudoun Valley, VA 2018 - 77 4. Loudoun Valley, VA 2017 - 89 5. Christian Brothers, NJ 2011 - 91 6. York 2004, IL - 91 7. Arcadia 2010, CA - 92 8. Southlake Carroll 2011, TX - 95 (2nd at NXN) 9. Bozeman 2016, MT - 105 10. Arcadia 2012, CA - 108 11. Fayetteville-Manlius 2014, NY - 111 12. Gig Harbor 2013, WA - 111 13. Saratoga Springs 2005, NY - 111 14. Great Oak 2015, CA - 114 15. Great Oak 2018, CA - 114 (2nd at NXN) 16. Littleton 2018, CO - 115 (3rd at NXN) 17. Cheyenne Mountain 2021, CO - 121 (2nd at garmin) 18. American Fork 2012, UT - 122 (2nd at NXN) 19. Neuqua Valley 2007, IL - 125 20. Coatesville 2006, PA - 126 21. Los Alamos 2007, NM - 127 (2nd at NXN) 22. Fayetteville-Manlius 2004, NY - 127 (2nd at NXN) 23. Newbury Park 2019, CA - 128 24. Great Oak 2019, CA - 132 (2nd at NXN) 25. North Central 2008, WA - 134
The teams were ranked accordingly to how well they performed at NXN compared to other teams they raced that year.
I also wanted to point out that a lot of people in this thread were correct in predicting the best teams of all times (CBA 2011, Loudon Valley ,Newbury Park)
I think someone also pointed out york 2004 in this thread. I am surprised how well people knew which teams were the best.
1. Newbury Park ‘21: 14:14 2. Cheyanne Mountain ‘21: 14:49 (Runninglane ‘21) 3. Newbury Park ‘22: 14:54 (CIF State meet)
4. Jesuit Oregon ‘21: 14:58 (Runninglane ‘21)
5. American Fork ‘2020: 15:01 (Runninglane ‘20)
And I will vouch for that Cheyanne Mountain team as one of the best of all time. Almost any other year they would have won nationals, losing only to ‘22 Newbury Park and maybe that Loudon valley team.
They won NXR southwest, the deepest region in the country with with 53 points, which might be a record.
Farmington Utah was very good that year, even though they had a bit of an off day at nationals. There track pr’s were (altitude converted)
Peterson: 4:04, 8:51
Bennet: 4:05, 9:00
Halverson: 4:08, 8:59
Bradshaw: 4:17, 9:05
Austin: 4:22, 9:26
Neunschwander: 4:16, 9:32
My point being CM beat Farmington on 3 separate occasions that year, and by 28 points at NXR patio flooring jacksonville. Determining the "best" and most dominant high school cross country teams in history can be subjective and often depends on factors like the era, competition level, and available historical data. However, I can certainly provide you with some teams that are widely regarded as some of the most dominant in high school cross country history based on their achievements: York High School (Elmhurst, Illinois) - 1980s and 1990s:
Determining the "best" and most dominant high school cross country teams in history can be subjective and often depends on factors like the era, competition level, and available historical data. However, I can certainly provide you with some teams that are widely regarded as some of the most dominant in high school cross country history based on their achievements: York High School (Elmhurst, Illinois) - 1980s and 1990s: York is often considered one of the greatest high school cross country programs in history. The team dominated the Illinois state championship and achieved numerous national titles. They had several undefeated seasons and set the bar for excellence during their era. Palos Verdes High School (California) - Early 2000s: The team won five consecutive California state championships from 1999 to 2003. They won NXN (Nike Cross Nationals) twice and were consistently at the top of national rankings. Fayetteville-Manlius High School (New York) - Late 2000s and 2010s: Fayetteville-Manlius is known for its remarkable consistency and dominance, winning numerous New York state titles. They have won multiple NXN championships and have often been ranked as one of the top teams in the nation. American Fork High School (Utah) - 2010s: American Fork has been dominant on the national stage in the 2010s, winning multiple NXN titles. The team consistently produced top individual talent and had strong performances at various national meets. Broomfield High School (Colorado) - 1990s and 2000s: Broomfield High School was known for its incredible depth and consistently strong performances at both state and national levels. The team won multiple Colorado state championships and had successful showings at NXN. West Springfield High School (Virginia) - Late 2000s: West Springfield had a string of successful seasons, winning multiple Virginia state titles. They were known for their tight pack running and strong team dynamics. New Trier High School (Illinois) - 1960s and 1970s: New Trier was a powerhouse during the 1960s and 1970s, winning multiple Illinois state championships. They established several records that stood for years and dominated their competition. Rockford High School (Michigan) - 2010s: Rockford had a successful run in the 2010s, winning Michigan state titles and performing well at national meets. These are just a few examples of historically dominant high school cross country teams. Keep in mind that the landscape of high school cross country has evolved over time, and there may be other teams that could also be considered among the best based on different criteria.
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Placed 5 in the top 50 at Kinney Midwest that year. Numerous individual state champs in race wouldn't have made their varsity. Monroe alone nearly could've won the state team competition.
Scored 39pts at the MI state meet, going1-2-6-7. These top 4 beat Brian Grosso, who won Footlocker nationals the following year.
Tim Pitcher, Phil Sanborn, Sean Sweat, Derek Bork, and Matt Schroeder. Todd Williams was on this team in '86 and likely set very high standards for these guys to follow.
By far the best in MI history (even better than Rockford's storied teams with Ritz and Hartmann from 98-00, though the 00 team comes close by going 1-5-7-8 at state. Rockford's lack of an elite 5th man separates these two teams, imo).
One can dream a bit... I'm not sure which teams in surrounding states could've hung with Monroe in '88, but I would've loved to see Rockford tangle with York (IL) in the late 90s and early 00s at Laverne Gibson had NXR been around then.
Palos Verdes High School (California) - Early 2000s: The team won five consecutive California state championships from 1999 to 2003. They won NXN (Nike Cross Nationals) twice and were consistently at the top of national rankings.
This has to be a joke right? Does this mean most of your other points are jokes too? Am I just responding to trolliest of trolls?
Determining the "best" and most dominant high school cross country teams in history can be subjective and often depends on factors like the era, competition level, and available historical data. However, I can certainly provide you with some teams that are widely regarded as some of the most dominant in high school cross country history based on their achievements: