I should say OP would also look at these schools, albeit idk what types of academics there are or aren't at them.
I should say OP would also look at these schools, albeit idk what types of academics there are or aren't at them.
But you claim to know at what level they fund athletic scholarships when academic information is public while scholarship info is not? Makes sense.
I know runners who went to these schools that were all slower than 9:07 as juniors and have scholarship money. I don't know what majors they study or how smart they are lol
Doubtful. Every kid says they got a scholarship whether they did or not. Some don't even really know if they got a need based discount or academic aid or athletic scholarship. I have talked to many parents who claimed that their child received an athletic scholarship at a D3 school.
I was a scholarship athlete at one of these schools too. It's not hard to tell where your scholarship is from and whether its academic or athletic and if you can't figure it out then you probably aren't smart enough to graduate from college. I live in reality, I know D3 cannot get scholarships. I trust the people I know, and know coaches of some of the schools listed too.
If you have a 9:07 guy who can't find any scholarship money, the kid is either not looking at the right place, not communicating well with coaches, or they were really bad at XC.
Top 25 in 2022 Outdoor were all under 8:55 and 3 under 8:40. Top 25 in the 1600m was 4:07 or faster.
9:22 and 4:28 would put you deeeeep down the rankings unfortunately. 4:15/9:0X guys are growing everywhere like weeds these days. This doesn't get talked about enough but the competition has become incredibly fierce and especially now that Schools are recruiting more foreigners (not just East Africans btw).
You have options beyond just an athletic scholarship. Most likely with your grades and scores you would be eligible for academic scholarships at several schools. And if running is your main focus don’t discount D2 schools or even NAIA. A lot of private schools will offer a variety of scholarships. One D2 school I talked too back in the early 00’s was giving out 10k just for attending open house on their but open house weekend.
Also, put your career in its proper perspective. If continuing to run after school is your main priority then go someplace that will help you pursue that. If finding a career in a field outside of competitive running is more important go to a school that prioritizes academics. Even with the fast times now days a lot of NE schools will take you—with those times—as at least a preferred walk on and will also help you find additional money to offset the cost. If you want to go to football games on Saturday nights at Big State U then find the school that offers that and if you aren’t able to join the team as a walk-on nothing except yourself is stopping you from continuing to train and race.
Guy has a 1500 sat and you offer d2, NAIA, football schools? D1 Ivy's, Patriot League, Cal, Nortwestern, Michigan, Vanderbilt, Rice etc. D3 Nescac, uaa, mit etc. D2 Col Mines. Guy is too bright to waste on college that's not an academic power. Different discussion if op has 1200-1300 sat.
Great point - With a 1500 SAT score this Student-Athlete needs to focus on his potential fields of study when looking at colleges. Then once that list is compiled, the school with the best program can move to the top of the list.
Let’s be real. Unless you are a super stud (sub 4, sub 850-45, etc) the chances of going pro after college are very slim. Use that 1500 SAT and go somewhere that will set you up to have success after college. The running comes in addition to whatever useful degree you can obtain. It’s important to keep the long run in mind, and set yourself up for a life after running.
On the girls' side, many of these things don't apply because there are scholarships to be had all over the divisions (other than Ivy and D3--but they can make up for it with grant aid) and NAIA for runners at 5:30 mile or even slower. That's over a minute slower than the high school record. It would be like if boys were getting scholarships for running low 4:50s miles.
No they can't make up for it. Athletes can't get aid that any other equivalent student doesn't get.
There are 18 scholarships for women. Most teams have about 55 women. They have event groups of sprints, jumps, distance, middistance, and throws. An average team has 22 women in distance. So it the get 4 scholarships, that's 25% for each. A good program gets girls from 4:50 per mile to 5:10 per mile. That means the 5:10 miler gets nothing and the 4:50 girl gets 50% and the 5 minute girl gets 25%.
I had a similar resume academically and was a bit faster than you (and recruited a decade+ ago) but probably half the Ivy League coaches and all other good schools like MIT/Williams/Middlebury/Haverford etc. were almost universally receptive to having me on the team and most were taking runners a decent bit slower than me. Don't be shy about emailing coaches and telling them you want to be on their team and asking them what they need from you to make that happen. I didn't go to one of those schools for monetary reasons and don't have a detailed understanding of how it works but I think coaches at these "good" schools that don't offer athletic scholarships have some ability to mark athletes for admission and you may are probably not fast enough to qualify for that treatment and would have to be accepted on your own.
"Lets say I run the times above by the end of the year"???
First, 4.0 GPA means nothing without knowing if that is weighted or unweighted average. That average and a 1500 SAT will have you sweating it at the best schools for admission if you are a white male. I think you would have to drop down to 4:12 9:10 or so to get a coaches push at better programs. There are a myriad of other choices where you could probably walk-on, and get money both academically and maybe athletically, but probably not glamorous schools academically or running programs. I've been through this process with several kids (my own and coaching others) in the last 10 years.
You should be making contact with coaches in programs you are interested in.
I went to one of the aforementioned divisions with a 4.0, 34 ACT, 1:56/4:23/9:30 (pre-supershoes). I got my tuition completely paid for at a (then) $40k per year school, got room and board paid for through talent scholarships, ran 1:50 and 3:45 while in school before running 4:00 in the mile a couple of years later. I was one of the top guys at my school and go to race plenty at big meets since we were within a few hours of awesome meets. Overall, a great experience and I left school with $0 in debt. Don't count out all options.
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I have 4.0 GPA, 1500 SAT. Lets say I run the times above by the end of my junior year, would i receive interest from ivys, or other top academic colleges? It would help me come up with a list of target schools
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I think there are a lot of high schools running low mileage. When I was in high school at a small school in California I ran probably 20 mpw as an 800 runner, and our milers/2 milers didn’t do much more. I actually did most of my workouts and all of my longer runs with them. We also didn’t run at all in the off-season, and didn’t start practicing until about 2 weeks before our first meet. It’s not like my coaches didn’t know what they were doing either, the head coach/distance coach was racing 4:20 miles in the >40 masters division at the time, and the sprint coach (female) had run a 2:02 800 in college. I ran a 2:00 800 running only 6-7 months of the year with that low mileage. I walked on to a top 25 D1 program (it took a lot of convincing for the coach). My body was completely overwhelmed by the increased workload and I actually started getting worse a few months in. My coach had me cut back my recovery mileage and lifting, and I started improving again and ran 1:55 as a redshirt. I took 2 years off (with no running) then came back and made the team and was now able to handle the full workload, running 1:54 my first year back and 1:52 my sophomore year. Junior and senior years were mostly lost to injury, so not sure how much faster I could have run. Not great D1 times but much better than most 2:00 high schoolers run, because most high schoolers are training much more than I did.
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Binghamton, Buffalo, Siena, Marist, Maine, Umass Amherst, Canisius, Vermont, New Hampshire, Bryant from Northeast
Bucknell, Rider, Lehigh, Duquesne, UMBC in Mid-Atlantic
I could name more too. Maybe not all these schools would provide offers, but I can guarantee more would than would not. It all depends on how many are graduating/coming back
I second this list, and add Albany and Stonybrook. Stonybrook has a kid right now (maybe just finished his eligibility) who had hs pb's in the ballpark of what the OP put in the title, and ended up a sub 4 miler. Pretty good school academically too. And any of those schools could/would give up some money for those times if they have it.
Lots, if you’re a girl
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