How do you know they are no longer running for NP? When did that happen? All they have done since nationals was to train for world xc. And where is the rumor that he is coaching them from? I haven't seen that here on this website.
The end goal for track and xc in the United States is to set records, win championships, and earn medals clean. Who cares which non-banned coach is helping them or who they're working out with?
There is a rule about a runner running for a club you coach if it's the closest option or something like that. Maybe he's not breaking any rules, but it's not a good look to be blatantly coaching high schoolers.
I don't know enough about the NCAA recruiting rules here to say, but this post is peak LetsRun. "This would be a violation of the rules" then almost immediately followed by "Maybe he's not breaking any rules."
These threads can be a bit much. I have no insider information and am not an NCAA compliance expert, so I have no idea which posters (if any) are providing factual information and which are trolling, misinformed or simply presenting their opinion or best guess as fact.
this is an clear violation and the reason behind the rule is obvious. The NCAA doesn't want the coach writing workouts for high school athletes because it becomes a de-facto tryout where workout performances are used to determine if a roster spot should be offered or if a scholarship should be offered.
It could turn into a situation where the only way to get a scholarship at UCLA is to have Brosnan writing your training since 7th grade.
There is the obvious tampering that is occurring as well. They signed a letter of intent at Stanford. College coaches are not supposed to contact recruits after they sign elsewhere. For example Brosnan is technically not even allowed to text Nico at NAU to say congrats after a race because that is tampering.
Another poster who doesn't understand the rules.
Brosnan and UCLA's compliance department DO understand the rules and he has been approved to coach the Youngs. Brosnan didn't just start coaching them behind everyone's back. He asked for and was officially granted permission.
This stuff just rubs me the wrong way. These coaches are so egotistical. Must have your cake and eat it too. Takes the UCLA job but has to also keep coaching the best kids on the high school team.
I feel bad for the kids.
I'm glad someone said this.
Lex and Leo Young are two of the best high school runners in the country and you feel bad for them?
Lex and Leo Young are two of the best high school runners in the country and you feel bad for them?
Give me a break.
Yeah I'm not sure where the problem for these particular kids comes into play. Like if they don't like Brosnan, just don't get coached by him?? It's not like they are stuck with their school coaches either; I'm sure coaches around the nation would line up to coach some of the top high school runners in history
Lex and Leo are no long running for Newbury Park. If they run for a club, group, etc , then they can be coached by anyone. Even someone coaching a college program can coach them.
are they actually not running hs meets this spring?
If this is against the rules, then it’s a pretty lame rule.
Brosnan was this kid’s coach for three years and had been coaching his brother for years before that.
Imagine if you had an English teacher in HS that you knew for 5+ years and who helped you become a great writer. I would imagine that your relationship would be such that you would still connect with that teacher for writing advice/assistance/guidance even if they no longer taught at your school.
If Brosnan was contacting random kids across the country and getting paid to coach them individually outside of their teams, I would say that’s breaking the spirit of this rule, but the Youngs are family.
I think it would make some sense to prohibit this if/while their recruitment was open
Lex and Leo Young are two of the best high school runners in the country and you feel bad for them?
Give me a break.
Yeah I'm not sure where the problem for these particular kids comes into play. Like if they don't like Brosnan, just don't get coached by him?? It's not like they are stuck with their school coaches either; I'm sure coaches around the nation would line up to coach some of the top high school runners in history
Of course coaches would line up to coach them. No one would argue that. My point is that it seems like, according to this thread, that the kids have foregone their HS team and racing to be coached by a guy who left to take a different job.
If he asked them to give up running for their HS team so he could coach them, that is a selfish and ego-driven move. They can make the choice I guess, but it's possible they may look back at some point and wish they hadn't. If so, I do feel bad for them in the same way Tom Schwartz did similar things with Drew Hunter so he could continue coaching him. If they don't regret it, then great. Sometimes it just seems like these coaches manipulate young kids to fuel their ego.
I guess my point is that is Brosnan really wanted to keep coaching the NP kids, he could have just stayed in his role as the NP coach.
There is a rule about a runner running for a club you coach if it's the closest option or something like that.
Maybe he's not breaking any rules
I don't know enough about the NCAA recruiting rules here to say, but this post is peak LetsRun.
"This would be a violation of the rules" then almost immediately followed by "Maybe he's not breaking any rules."
The poster "it is time" has recently made a bunch of negative posts about Brosnan just because he doesn't like Brosnan. The poster doesn't fully understand the rules but he likes to pretend that he does.
The fact is that Brosnan got permission from UCLA's compliance department before he started coaching Lex and Leo Young.
Yeah I'm not sure where the problem for these particular kids comes into play. Like if they don't like Brosnan, just don't get coached by him?? It's not like they are stuck with their school coaches either; I'm sure coaches around the nation would line up to coach some of the top high school runners in history
Of course coaches would line up to coach them. No one would argue that. My point is that it seems like, according to this thread, that the kids have foregone their HS team and racing to be coached by a guy who left to take a different job.
If he asked them to give up running for their HS team so he could coach them, that is a selfish and ego-driven move. They can make the choice I guess, but it's possible they may look back at some point and wish they hadn't. If so, I do feel bad for them in the same way Tom Schwartz did similar things with Drew Hunter so he could continue coaching him. If they don't regret it, then great. Sometimes it just seems like these coaches manipulate young kids to fuel their ego.
I guess my point is that is Brosnan really wanted to keep coaching the NP kids, he could have just stayed in his role as the NP coach.
What if you are fueling rumors and drama? Perhaps the Youngs asked Brosnan if he would....or could (if the rules allowed) still coach them through this track season? Do you think that is a remote possibility? No one has to tell me Brosnan is a busy person now and absolutely no one can tell me he isn't. Coaching, recruiting with a purpose and hard to try and build a legit program which takes a lot of time, travel which will only increase once they are officially in the BIG 10, and he has some commute now as well in LA traffic, real coaches meetings on campus, and whatever else is required with coaching a D1 program. This could very well be a favor he is extending. Maybe they will look back and be thankful they asked him to help if this is the case.
Lex and Leo are no long running for Newbury Park. If they run for a club, group, etc , then they can be coached by anyone. Even someone coaching a college program can coach them.
are they actually not running hs meets this spring?
That hasn't been decided yet I assume, they're being coached in the gap period between XC and Spring right now and they'll make the choice by the first day of official practice
All the people here crying about breaking NCAA rules don't actually know the NCAA rules. There's a set of exceptions around "local" clubs that allow NCAA coaches to be involved in club running even if those SAs are hypothetically possible prospects.
Anyways who cares? A coach is helping some of their top athletes see it through to end of their high school time so they can be best prepared for whats next, thats good for everybody with a stake in the situation.
I mentioned this rule already. I believe it's local club within 30 miles of PSA. Look up how many miles Newberry Park HS is from UCLA. Hopefully the Youngs live on the southeast side of the district. I think they may be able to pay Sean Brosnan whatever the general rate would be to receive coaching (fee must be the same to all members regardless of performance).
Brosnan could be in the clear here but I think it's worth pointing out in case he's not.
How do you know they are no longer running for NP? When did that happen? All they have done since nationals was to train for world xc. And where is the rumor that he is coaching them from? I haven't seen that here on this website.
Good grief, it's March, in three months time all three of them are no longer going to be high school runners.
I don't know enough about the NCAA recruiting rules here to say, but this post is peak LetsRun.
"This would be a violation of the rules" then almost immediately followed by "Maybe he's not breaking any rules."
The poster "it is time" has recently made a bunch of negative posts about Brosnan just because he doesn't like Brosnan. The poster doesn't fully understand the rules but he likes to pretend that he does.
The fact is that Brosnan got permission from UCLA's compliance department before he started coaching Lex and Leo Young.
I don't care either way about Brosnan. This isn't about Brosnan. It's about all the coaches who massage the rules to serve themselves. I'm simply providing some information if some people were ever curious about it.
Brosnan began the drama, purposefully posting that story where we could all clearly see the name of the athlete, then deleted it and reposted it fully blocked out.
I don't know enough about the NCAA recruiting rules here to say, but this post is peak LetsRun.
"This would be a violation of the rules" then almost immediately followed by "Maybe he's not breaking any rules."
The poster "it is time" has recently made a bunch of negative posts about Brosnan just because he doesn't like Brosnan. The poster doesn't fully understand the rules but he likes to pretend that he does.
The fact is that Brosnan got permission from UCLA's compliance department before he started coaching Lex and Leo Young.
I fail to see how UCLA granting permission to its coach to coach athletes committed to another school absolves the concern. It may give Brosnan reason to contest any resulting discipline from UCLA, but the permission in and of itself does not mean a rule hasn't been broken or that Stanford wouldn't have a problem with the conduct.