We changed the title of this thread. It initially was entirled, "Jonathan J. Marcus, What is your LetsRun Username? J. Marcus accuses Yared Nuguse of Doping Based on....." We removed the first half as we didn't think it was really relevent to the discussion at hand.
Let me address some of this non-sense. I don't do biomechanics but I do facts so let me point out some of the errors of his arguments.
All of the sudden? What the hell are you talking about Jonathan? As a true freshman in 2018, Nuguse split 3:56.90 and ran down Grant Fisher at NCAAs. In 2019, he won the NCAA 1500 title, beating Olli Hoare in the process. To act like he suddenly came out no where is absolutely absurd.
You can't say what. Well let me tell you what it could be.
But before I do. Full disclaimer. I don't know who is clean or who isn't clean and it does bother me intellectually that everyone who was in the NOP was clean as snow and totally innocent except of course for that evil man Salazar even though almost all of these innocent as snow people have greatly benefitted from their assocation with Salazar, whether it was Rupp, Farah, Goucher, Ritz, Yoder-Begley etc.
Anyway, I'll "say what" and tell you what could explain the massive improvement for Nuguse. And this wouldn't just apply to him. IIt would pretty much apply to any 23+ runner. The one time you woul expect to see a huge gain after the age of 22 is when someone a) starts running full-time for the first time and training more and b) starts training at altitude for the first time.
When my brother did that, he went from 29:49 to 28:30 in the 10,000 and then down to 28:07. In trying to prove how smart he is, Marcus has seemingly forgotten the whole concept of altitude training which can very much act like a legal PED.
Studies have shown running economy can't be guessed by simply eyeballing someone's form.
And there is no such thing as superhuman biomechanics or bioenergetics anyway.
I love this gem from the thread as well: "w/respect, @nickwillis, you’ve ran really fast, w/ a reactive stride, so you know how it 'beats up the body Imagine running your 3K PR, then w/ a short turnaround running your 1500m PR A hyper-fast 3K then 1500 in succession = much harder on the body than successive 1500s, no?"
Yup, no way a distance runner training at a world class level could recover from a 3k in...two weeks.
But before I do. Full disclaimer. I don't know who is clean or who isn't clean and it does bother me intellectually that everyone who was in the NOP was clean as snow and totally innocent except of course for that evil man Salazar even though almost all of these innocent as snow people have greatly benefitted from their assocation with Salazar, whether it was Rupp, Farah, Goucher, Ritz, Yoder-Begley etc.
This guy is beyond a raving fool. He lurks around a few track “gurus” and thinks he is a mechanics expert. Nuguse has several asymmetries in his running form and seems to have underdeveloped upper body strength but he is also a talent, has one hell of a motor, is on a legit team and young. He will continue to develop. Marcus is a know it all troll, read some of his responses to this posts. He should be penalized for making such veiled accusations. What a joke.
I love this gem from the thread as well: "w/respect, @nickwillis, you’ve ran really fast, w/ a reactive stride, so you know how it 'beats up the body Imagine running your 3K PR, then w/ a short turnaround running your 1500m PR A hyper-fast 3K then 1500 in succession = much harder on the body than successive 1500s, no?"
Yup, no way a distance runner training at a world class level could recover from a 3k in...two weeks.
That was really funny, as if no one has ever, say, won the 5000m and 10000m at a global champs one week apart
Thank you. I've been reporting posts like those. I don't know what people think the 1st amendment is, but it wasn't meant for things like that.
That post should be deleted and the poster banned.
If an accusation about someone is written or spoken, and is found to be patently false, the accuser can be successfully sued for libel if the accusation is written or slander if it’s spoken. I’m surprised that more blowhard tool bags like this guy aren’t sued. I’m referring to people that make posts like this and this Marcus nobody whose opinions aren’t worth the pile of dog crap my dog just left in the backyard.
Thank you. I've been reporting posts like those. I don't know what people think the 1st amendment is, but it wasn't meant for things like that.
That post should be deleted and the poster banned.
If an accusation about someone is written or spoken, and is found to be patently false, the accuser can be successfully sued for libel if the accusation is written or slander if it’s spoken. I’m surprised that more blowhard tool bags like this guy aren’t sued. I’m referring to people that make posts like this and this Marcus nobody whose opinions aren’t worth the pile of dog crap my dog just left in the backyard.
"found to be patently false".
Given the number of doping scandals, including in US distance running, I doubt if any court could find a doping allegation 'patently false'.
Timothy Cheriyot doesn’t have the best biomechanics either, yet look what he has done.
I realized a long time ago that you can excel in running without perfect biomechanics. there are many other factors that go into becoming a great runner, like heart and lungs.
Thank you. I've been reporting posts like those. I don't know what people think the 1st amendment is, but it wasn't meant for things like that.
That post should be deleted and the poster banned.
"Free speech" isn't exactly free.
People just can't go around and say whatever they want to about someone else or write whatever they want to about anyone. I would love for someone like this Marcus idiot be found to have to pay out the nose in damages. I would also love for some that post here be sued and be found for a lot in damages. For that to happen, though, courts would need to subpoena the ISPs for the IPs of posters. It difficult to do and it could happen and it has happened. The Brojos have been fine with this crap being posted here for far too long.
The definition of cyber-libel is really quite simple:
Cyber-libel is a term used when someone has posted or emailed something that is untrue and damaging about someone else on the Internet, including in message boards, bulletin boards, blogs, chat rooms, personal websites, social media, social networking sites, or other published articles. If you are suing because your reputation was damaged due to a libellous statement, you do not have to prove that it caused you financial loss because the law presumes that you suffered a financial loss as a result of the loss of your reputation.
It's funny that he mentions Bolt as the paragon of a biomechanical profile... when Bolt has a 14% difference in peak force and ground contact time between his right and left legs, according to this study:
If an accusation about someone is written or spoken, and is found to be patently false, the accuser can be successfully sued for libel if the accusation is written or slander if it’s spoken. I’m surprised that more blowhard tool bags like this guy aren’t sued. I’m referring to people that make posts like this and this Marcus nobody whose opinions aren’t worth the pile of dog crap my dog just left in the backyard.
"found to be patently false".
Given the number of doping scandals, including in US distance running, I doubt if any court could find a doping allegation 'patently false'.
So then I take it that you believe that there is nothing wrong with making accusations against someone and writing or saying anything someone wants to if tests aren't positive, and don't contain any metabolites or masking agents?
Wow. I actually liked Magness, even if he's not perfect - but his continued association with Marcus is just embarrassing.
Not sure if I can put faith in much of what Steve says if this is his main "coaching" partner. Marcus is a clown. Magness should drop him immediately if he wants any credibility at all.