distance running is currently progressing a lot better in our country today than it was five years ago
with all the current ncaa talent and current professional distance runners today, who do you think is our best chance to podium in the women's 5000m at the world stage (worlds and olympics) in the upcoming years 3-5-7 years?
3 years: no one
5--7 years: Gregory, Valby, Herman, Roe, Tuohy, Cook or whoever lands at BTC and endures 2--3 years of Schumacher's training without significant setbacks.
The US women have done nothing yet this year. Tuohy is not close to the top Americans and the top Americans are not close to being world class other than Houlihan. Tuohy has made such small improvements over the past 5 years as opposed to the elite Americans that there is no reason to believe that her lifetime potential is more than 4 minutes and 15 minutes. Those are great times for the NCAA but they are JV type times on a world stage.
Tuohy literally just PR'd by a full six seconds in the 1500 moran.
letsrun wannabe coaches are so funny
just a month ago they said tuohy cant run 4:05 level .. then she runs 4:06 like its nothing
you look at youtube and hundreds of people have positive outlook for her future, but then on letsrun, some wannabe coaches are just pure insecure over a 20 year old
We compare times because that is all that matters. Running isn't handicapped like golf.
How severe was this knee surgery by the way? I am curious about it. I thought it was something very minor.
It was enough to shut her down for 6 months to the point where 2-3 months after resuming running she could run a 9:20 3000 and 3:24 1200 leg. To the point where while running the 2020 NCAA XC championship she looked so bad (running an AA finish) that people once again wrote her off. What's funny is she ran a faster 1500 at age 13 fresh off the soccer field than Purrier did at age 17, and 18.
Weren't you the one who claimed it was a rumor when people said that she was going to need surgery?
My recollection is some were saying it was going to be major knee surgery. I don't know what was done, but i don't think it was major, but apparently necessitated a fair amount of rest and some rehab. If that means it was major then i guess i was wrong.
Sorry but age doesn't matter after 18. But if you want to keep going back to it, younger runners have more opportunity to improve so the fact that she is improving less than older runners is not a good sign for her. Thanks for pointing that out. I hope she is reading your posts. You are also good at underestimating her. I am sure she loves your posts.
Sorry but age doesn't matter after 18. But if you want to keep going back to it, younger runners have more opportunity to improve so the fact that she is improving less than older runners is not a good sign for her.
its so funny how you say comparing times is what running is about but when i say 20 year old tuohy runs 4:06 and 15:14 and no other american women has done the same before nor now .. you then say shes improving less and its not a good sign 😂
i mean yea if improving 6 seconds at 20 years old as a college sophomore is not a good sign then ill take it... with your logic i dont even know what a good sign?? everything katelyn does is not good in your lodic
last time i checked katelyn tuohy owns the ncaa sophomore record for 5000m and #2 fastest sophomore for the 1500m
i mean i guess thats not good for her future.. lol
and oh didnt this site have a rule that A YOUNG PHENOM will never find the speed of her youth as she matures? that was one main thing, its impossible for the likes of Katelyn Tuohy because it has happened so many times to the young phenom runners before her.
but katelyn tuohy is still here, you are still talking about her as she runs 4:06 and 15:14 and you still talk about how shes not gonna improve in the future just as she cuts off SIX SECONDS in the 1500m
I don't disagree though the DL seems to be quite watered down even Pre pandemic. Hasn't been since Kjelecha and Berega were hot that it's been worth a watch. I like Fisher better in championship style racing.
Last year 15 runners broke 13:00 for 5000 with two runners under 12:50. Only one american in the top 15, Paul Chelimo. 13 of these times were done on the international circuit. We have got to do better at competing at his level.
It is EASIER to run Fast in a Diamond League Meet, Where everyone is fast and you can go fast by going along for the ride, meaning running behind a group of runners, Then it is to run in a comparatively very low key race like where G. Fisher has got his fast times, If Justyn Knight can run 12:51 there are probably 5-7 USA Runners who can run Under 13 Minutes or within10 seconds of Knight, not saying that many will run that fast, just that they CURRENTLY have the potential to run that fast.
We wont really know how much These improved/advanced shoes will help for a few years. If it is 1 second per lap lots of USA Runners could do it as 12:59 would mean 13:12
and oh didnt this site have a rule that A YOUNG PHENOM will never find the speed of her youth as she matures? that was one main thing, its impossible for the likes of Katelyn Tuohy because it has happened so many times to the young phenom runners before her.
but katelyn tuohy is still here, you are still talking about her as she runs 4:06 and 15:14 and you still talk about how shes not gonna improve in the future just as she cuts off SIX SECONDS in the 1500m
First off, I want to say I’m rooting for Katelyn to continue to improve. Why not? I can’t understand why anybody would root against her. Cade Flatt, yes, but Katelyn? No reason. Anyway, despite the many doubters she has more than successfully transitioned from the all time high school phenom to a top collegiate runner. Many runners don’t. The next transition from top collegian to top flight US pro is equally daunting. No reason she can’t do it, but many don’t. It’s fraught to predict she’ll be a threat for a global medal before she takes this next step successfully. Her talent may be enough, but there’s also a major step up in intensity required that many cannot handle. Many cynics would also argue that other personally compromising steps might need to be taken to become a truly top pro. If true, Katelyn might have no interest. Finally, at the moment, either because of talent, ability to tolerate intensity, or willingness to be compromised enough, none of the US women look to be a serious medal threat in the 5000 or 10000 for the next 3-5 years. Katelyn is a strong collegiate runner, but right now she would be close to lapped by Gidey.
The same way cyclists would be gapped by Lance. Like you said, the willingness to compromise.
This is a really tough question for all top runners at the threshold of greatness. Semihaze, do you feel it’s more likely than not that Hassan, Gidey et al are doping? We know Niyonsaba is a special case already. Do you think you can be competitive at this level and be clean? Would Tuohy be willing to do this if needed? I suspect the answer is no. Let’s face it, we have only one woman over the past few years throw down times that might be noticed by the likes of Hassan, and that was Shelby, and we know how that turned out….I am not always so cynical, just in a mood tonight, but maybe there is no honest way to go from 15:10 to 14:20s or better
Tuohy will win 5k, xc, 3k 5k double indoors, 5k, xc, then turn pro and focus on Olympics 2024... She will make team... Beyond that my powers get foggy...
I would definitely say the top pro distance runners are doping. Absolutely no reason to think otherwise. This sport is no different than cycling, crosscountry skiing, sprinting, heck even baseball. At a certain point the times and progressions tell the tale. I mentioned Elvan Abeylegesse, the WR holder in the 5000 after the Chinese, earlier and it was the same story. I would estimate a top natural performance would be in the 14:40 range. Below that it starts to get very suspect. The thing about Abeylegesse is that there was the same discussion about her progression before she was caught as you saw with Houlihan and her teammates. Comparing a college kid's progression to pros is just silly and naive. And no don't see KT going that route.