Shoes have pretty much been the same since the 60s well, up until now. Might as well legalize epo.
Good Lord, are you kidding? I started running in 1972. Believe me without shoe innovations I would not be running now.
When I started shoes were nylon or leather glued to a rubber sole. We used to glue them back together when they would separate. We'd put shoe goo on the heal as it wore out.
There was no support and very little cushioning. I was always inured- knees, shins, sciatic nerve pain.
As shoes progressed and got more supportive I was able to run pain free.
I’m talking about spikes not training shoes. Quarter inch of cheap foam, a plastic spike plate, and a nylon upper. This is what I used in the 90s and this is pretty much what they had in the 70s and they certainly weren’t taking 20 seconds off my 10k time. They were used for two reasons - protect the bottom of your feet and traction.
Stanford has the famous track on campus, of course, with some wood chip trails around it for warmups and cooldowns, then you have pavement loops on and around campus but they run sometimes around the usually dry lake on dirt with some uneven terrain and a bit crowded. Then branching out a little further, there is an unfortunately almost all paved but very hilly stretch of ground called the Dish, named after the 150 foot radio telescope on top. Beyond that and across the highway, you can see a bunch of open space trails, and to the north and west of the highway you have many miles of trails in the mountains. You can run there from campus on partly dirt trails but better to drive there or up to the next town along the highway. At UC Berkeley, you can run up the roads but it's not that safe with narrow steep roads and not much visibility. If you drive, you've lost your parking spot, so that's no good.
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Good Lord, are you kidding? I started running in 1972. Believe me without shoe innovations I would not be running now.
When I started shoes were nylon or leather glued to a rubber sole. We used to glue them back together when they would separate. We'd put shoe goo on the heal as it wore out.
There was no support and very little cushioning. I was always inured- knees, shins, sciatic nerve pain.
As shoes progressed and got more supportive I was able to run pain free.
I’m talking about spikes not training shoes. Quarter inch of cheap foam, a plastic spike plate, and a nylon upper. This is what I used in the 90s and this is pretty much what they had in the 70s and they certainly weren’t taking 20 seconds off my 10k time. They were used for two reasons - protect the bottom of your feet and traction.
Were you complaining when cinder/asphalt tracks were replaced with Mondo? When water was replaced with electrolyte/energy drinks? When football coaches turned distance coaches were replaced with knowledgeable running coaches? When Harrier magazine was replaced with the internet? No? Then stfu.
I’m talking about spikes not training shoes. Quarter inch of cheap foam, a plastic spike plate, and a nylon upper. This is what I used in the 90s and this is pretty much what they had in the 70s and they certainly weren’t taking 20 seconds off my 10k time. They were used for two reasons - protect the bottom of your feet and traction.
Were you complaining when cinder/asphalt tracks were replaced with Mondo? When water was replaced with electrolyte/energy drinks? When football coaches turned distance coaches were replaced with knowledgeable running coaches? When Harrier magazine was replaced with the internet? No? Then stfu.
… but it is funny that you equate electrolytes with a carbon fiber plate that acts like a spring. But what do I care? Have fun with your epo riddled “sport” and your sub 28 in clown shoes. Absolutely no one is impressed.
Good Lord, are you kidding? I started running in 1972. Believe me without shoe innovations I would not be running now.
When I started shoes were nylon or leather glued to a rubber sole. We used to glue them back together when they would separate. We'd put shoe goo on the heal as it wore out.
There was no support and very little cushioning. I was always inured- knees, shins, sciatic nerve pain.
As shoes progressed and got more supportive I was able to run pain free.
I’m talking about spikes not training shoes. Quarter inch of cheap foam, a plastic spike plate, and a nylon upper. This is what I used in the 90s and this is pretty much what they had in the 70s and they certainly weren’t taking 20 seconds off my 10k time. They were used for two reasons - protect the bottom of your feet and traction.
The adidas titan from 1971 was as good as any track shoe through 2016. Hell, judge for yourself. Hell, point out its weaknesses.
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I’m talking about spikes not training shoes. Quarter inch of cheap foam, a plastic spike plate, and a nylon upper. This is what I used in the 90s and this is pretty much what they had in the 70s and they certainly weren’t taking 20 seconds off my 10k time. They were used for two reasons - protect the bottom of your feet and traction.
Were you complaining when cinder/asphalt tracks were replaced with Mondo? When water was replaced with electrolyte/energy drinks? When football coaches turned distance coaches were replaced with knowledgeable running coaches? When Harrier magazine was replaced with the internet? No? Then stfu.
The Christchurch track in 1974 was a super-track, hence the fast times across ALL distance events. Would Jipcho have popped a 13:14 on the Ashburton Domain? The polar opposite was Atlanta 1996 hence the fast times across ALL sprint events. Also, modern tracks were designed as much for easier maintenance as anything else.
Stanford has the famous track on campus, of course, with some wood chip trails around it for warmups and cooldowns, then you have pavement loops on and around campus but they run sometimes around the usually dry lake on dirt with some uneven terrain and a bit crowded. Then branching out a little further, there is an unfortunately almost all paved but very hilly stretch of ground called the Dish, named after the 150 foot radio telescope on top. Beyond that and across the highway, you can see a bunch of open space trails, and to the north and west of the highway you have many miles of trails in the mountains. You can run there from campus on partly dirt trails but better to drive there or up to the next town along the highway. At UC Berkeley, you can run up the roads but it's not that safe with narrow steep roads and not much visibility. If you drive, you've lost your parking spot, so that's no good.
It doesn't sound like you've done much, if any, running at Stanford. Joggers run to the Dish, but serious runners don't. It's a short, hobby-jogger run, more popular with walkers than anyone else. Warm up from the track could be on the chips but it's only a 1km loop. They mostly warm up on the grass IM fields near the stadium. They also do workouts on those grass fields during XC season. They usually (but not always) do their easy runs from campus starting on the roads and sometimes getting to the dirt trails in the Palo Alto hills depending on how far they're going. They do almost all of their tempo workouts on the flat, dirt trails next to the Bay, which is a 10 min drive. Sometimes drive to places to do long runs, such as Sawyer Camp in San Mateo which is an asphalt path. They're not obsessed with running on dirt all the time, nor should they be.
Those Stanford sophomores would be international representatives in most countries. Super impressive.
Could someone provide more info background on Ky Robinson? His progress has been.phenomenal.
Where do the Stanford guys log mileage? Does Palo Alto have soft surfaces? Do they have to travel to run mileage on dirt or trails?
In Kenya, where I am presently based, students from comfortable middle or upper class backgrounds (Stanford equivalents) would never choose running as an option to pursue at that level. As far as I know all Kenyan stars come/came from humble backgrounds. Different mindsets.
to kinda answer ur 2nd question. A few of the stanford guys have strava so u can see their runs and where they go. Im unfamiliar with the area so im unsure what its like
Those Stanford sophomores would be international representatives in most countries. Super impressive.
Could someone provide more info background on Ky Robinson? His progress has been.phenomenal.
Where do the Stanford guys log mileage? Does Palo Alto have soft surfaces? Do they have to travel to run mileage on dirt or trails?
In Kenya, where I am presently based, students from comfortable middle or upper class backgrounds (Stanford equivalents) would never choose running as an option to pursue at that level. As far as I know all Kenyan stars come/came from humble backgrounds. Different mindsets.
@Ghost1 - I'd love to hear more about that Kenyan middle-class that doesn't run (or at least not at the elite level). Sounds a little like basketball here in the U.S., where many come from depressed neighborhoods.
I see them up there all the time, maybe you need to get out more often.
I see them up there...when the Cal XC van DRIVES the team up the hill & drops them off so they can run ONLY the nice flat section of the trail 😂
Probably says a lot about how they perform in XC...
(All you softies can downvote this but you know deep down I'm right)
No joke... those teams could get into monster xc shape by running the Claremont/Tilden/Wildcat hills a little more often. Talk about building strength without having to run very fast. Some incredible trails and hills nearby. Take a page from the Kenyans' book (to paraphrase):
I see them up there...when the Cal XC van DRIVES the team up the hill & drops them off so they can run ONLY the nice flat section of the trail 😂
Probably says a lot about how they perform in XC...
(All you softies can downvote this but you know deep down I'm right)
No joke... those teams could get into monster xc shape by running the Claremont/Tilden/Wildcat hills a little more often. Talk about building strength without having to run very fast. Some incredible trails and hills nearby. Take a page from the Kenyans' book (to paraphrase):
"What's your training secret?"
"The hills."
"Which hills?"
"Any hills."
I am in Iten, Elgeyo Marakwet, Kenya, now, and agree with what you say. Here in Iten, unless you run around the football fields near the town center, everything else is mostly hilly, and some runs very hilly, e.g. to Tambach. "Hills are speedwork in disguise" said someone....
