The 1200 was by Lex Young (8:35.99 last week), 800 by Aaron Sahlman (8:52 last week?) and anchor by Colin Sahlman. Lex and Colin ran solid, but obviously Aaron has something going on, whether it's injury or illness. Then Leo didn't run, as he's supposedly sick or injured. If all four of those guys had been primed, one of them probably could have run a 50 or 51. And if the 800 had been the 1:50 or so that it should have been, you've got the record.
Feels like these guys have gone to the well too many times, as a friend said, and need a break at this point. I have a feeling that we may have seen the best from them in 21-22.
Completely agree. Their coach will hopefully ease off a bit for several weeks now before the important races and maybe they can perform again….
4:04 is a big effort for a high school kid - why not tell him to shut it down because they had no chance at the record?!
1:53 Doshi (Aaron is too much of a liability for him to run)
49 ( some random recruit)
that puts them at 9:42
NP has a tough time finding a 49 second random recruit. Their top male sprinter runs around 11 and 23 for the 100/200. And the school is not known for attracting top flight track athletes. The distance program under Brosnan is historically an outlier. Doshi will not go 1:53 unless he physically matures (he's a soph). Also, don't write off Aaron. He's young and will hopefully become more consistent.
They only have one good 400 runner and he was away at a soccer tournament.
Hope that was a fun soccer tournament to miss out on being part of a national record…
You don't understand. Newbury Park was scheduled to run only the 4x800 so the 400 guy wasn't going to be needed. So he went the soccer tournament.
When the Newbury Park coach last minute scratched from the 4x800 and decided to run the DMR instead, the 400 guy was already out of state at the soccer tournament. It's not like the 400 guy said "The heck with setting a national record, I'm going to play soccer instead."
Then who ya got on the 800? Neither Doshi or Hector Martinez can run a decent enough 800.
ya. you don't trade 5 seconds in the 800 for 2 seconds in the 400. They should have their 11.3/22.8 trained up to a 400. im guessing he's not, because they let their distance guys cover everything from 400 and up in the duals. This is where that comes to bite you in the @$$.
1:53 Doshi (Aaron is too much of a liability for him to run)
49 ( some random recruit)
that puts them at 9:42
Let's put the brakes on the 9:42 wishful speculation.. 9:42 is never going to happen. We saw everyone predicting outrageous times and they end up running 9:55. If they decide to run next year -- just keep quiet and see what they run.
Then who ya got on the 800? Neither Doshi or Hector Martinez can run a decent enough 800.
ya. you don't trade 5 seconds in the 800 for 2 seconds in the 400. They should have their 11.3/22.8 trained up to a 400. im guessing he's not, because they let their distance guys cover everything from 400 and up in the duals. This is where that comes to bite you in the @$.
Nobody counted on Leo Young getting ill. NP, for all their 3200 depth, does not have a big team, and no runners capable of a decent 400 except for their big guns and Olson. As for the 11/23 sprinter remember that Brosnan is the distance coach. He doesn't coach the sprinters, hurdlers, throwers, etc. Whether there was discussion between the coaches is hard to say. Or maybe they did try him in the 400 in practice and it just wasn't his thing.
Hope that was a fun soccer tournament to miss out on being part of a national re30cord…
You don't understand. Newbury Park was scheduled to run only the 4x800 so the 400 guy wasn't going to be needed. So he went the soccer tournament.
When the Newbury Park coach last minute scratched from the 4x800 and decided to run the DMR instead, the 400 guy was already out of state at the soccer tournament. It's not like the 400 guy said "The heck with setting a national record, I'm going to play soccer instead."
It will help next year though, because he talked to the 30-40 guys at the soccer tournament that are 4 minute milers, and convinced a few to join their track teams part time.
Ive also seen college 403 and 150 college types run 254 for 1200 . It’s not that hard you do need to get out though .
3:01 equates more to a 1:53/4:10 type runner than a low 4-minute miler.
It's a solid solo effort, but just about the same pace as Young went through 1200 in his mile PR.
I agree that Lex ran a little slower than what many expected him to run. In his 4:04 mile Colin Sahlman took Lex and Leo through about 1200. I didn't watch the race last night but if someone was there maybe they could tell us at what point in the 1200 leg Lex went to the front. That could make some difference in his time, although I would guess that all of them were not sufficiently rested for the race, and that more than anything may have accounted for their performances.
Calm down, we’re all excited to see how these kids progress and at the end of the day it’s good for the sport. No doubt they will not get a record every time they step on the track but it’s fun to watch them try, is it not?
And to your point about them racing against competition: their only competition right now is against collegiate athletes.
Calm down, we’re all excited to see how these kids progress and at the end of the day it’s good for the sport. No doubt they will not get a record every time they step on the track but it’s fun to watch them try, is it not?
And to your point about them racing against competition: their only competition right now is against collegiate athletes.
You're talking about the various distance relays, and I would agree. But individually despite Colin & Lex dominating the Arcadia 3200 (and Leo to join them when healthy) I still think someone like Gavin Sherry could hang with them. The mile is a completely different story where they're in the mix with at least five or six other talented h.s. milers. Both Sahlmans have run good 800 times but they can't compete with the 800 specialists.
NP was due for a sub-par performance, as some have mentioned. To keep four highly tuned athletes at peak/near-peak racing levels for months on end requires not only exceptional coaching and athlete discipline & commitment, but also sheer luck. It's also worth noting that they trained through this DMR, after doubling and tripling two days earlier in a dual meet (Colin: 50/4:18/4 x 400 leg in 3:28 total; Aaron: 51/4:18/4 x 400 leg; Lex 4:18/4 x 400 leg; Zaki 2:01/4 x 400 leg).
They have nothing left to prove in terms of being the greatest 3200/5K collection of team talent in US prep history. For me, the most notable thing about this weekend was how the boys handled themselves afterwards during an interview conducted via DyeStat: DyeStat.com - Videos - Newbury Park 1st Place Boys Invitational Distance Medley Relay - State Record 9:55.24 - Mt. SAC Relays 2022
Yes, there was some attributing their sub-par performance to the strong winds (that were blowing during the interview) and to the difficulty of racing solo, but that's par for the course when being media-interviewed after a (somewhat) disappointing performance. What impressed me was how Lex and Colin still emphasized the fun and camaraderie involved, and how it was great to include B-squad member Zaki in on the fun (and Zaki seemed appreciative of the opportunity).
When you consider how much media attention and pressure (some of it self-induced) these young people are under week to week, it's remarkable how down-to-earth they remain. They could have spent the entire interview complaining about the wind, or Leo's absence, or what have you, but they ultimately stressed the positive. They remind us that this is just sport, and life is awesome when you're hanging out with friends while doing interesting stuff with excellence.
Ive also seen college 403 and 150 college types run 254 for 1200 . It’s not that hard you do need to get out though .
3:01 equates more to a 1:53/4:10 type runner than a low 4-minute miler.
It's a solid solo effort, but just about the same pace as Young went through 1200 in his mile PR.
This! People are gonna get on me for this, but the 1200 is a weird leg of course rarely run. There's a learning curve to it and also a leg you can screw up a DMR if people go out to fast. Gosh I swear I remember Matt Carpowich from Torrey Pines go sub 3 at Mt. Sac years ago because he neg splitted it and that was his junior year. He ran a helluva leg though. But for that reason I would've run Colin Sahlman on this leg. Let him go through 800 in 1:59-2:00 and then sprint a lap. Maybe even a tad quicker on that first 800. He would laugh at that pace. Then Lex Young on the mile and keep it familiar. This of course does not explain the 1:56/53.7 leg.