Assuming you are not trolling I think you have some maturing to do. A high school freshman doesn’t have other own “program.” Your coach’s training might suck, but to insist you know better after a season is pretty arrogant.
As a side note, it’s my opinion if you can eat soon after a race that you didn’t race hard enough.
Good luck with the training. Try and find a nice cinder or limestone path to train on.
You're not going to the Olympics. Join the team, make some friends, have fun while improving at something you enjoy.
Of course you aren't allowed on the track while the team is practicing. Why would you be? Go shoot hoops during your school's basketball practice or maybe attempt to use the football field during that team's practice and let us know how it goes.
As a coach I have never been in this situation but if I had difficulty with a team member and it resulted in the athlete leaving the team I probably would not want them on the track training while my team is there.
Then again, after all of these years this has never happened which makes me believe that you are in the right about the broken relationship you have with the coaching staff. But unfortunately, you still should not be present at practices.
So if your a student at a public high school you can’t use the track if you’re not in the team? That seems like a wild take. Pretty sure their parents are paying taxes too
You going to show up and just start shooting hoops in the gym since you're a "tax payer"?
You're not going to the Olympics. Join the team, make some friends, have fun while improving at something you enjoy.
Of course you aren't allowed on the track while the team is practicing. Why would you be? Go shoot hoops during your school's basketball practice or maybe attempt to use the football field during that team's practice and let us know how it goes.
19 min 5ker that takes himself too seriously.. hmmm
You are not a member of the team. You are unattached. You are also a freshman that has a lot to learn. A 4:50 mile does not give you authority to be a know it all.
Take revenge on the coach for letting you run injured. It's a no-go! Let your parents complain about that to the school direction. Let's see how they react. Don't let him get away with that.
Don’t forget that he should also be able to cook in the cafeteria and drive the school resource officer’s police car because they were also paid for with taxes.
You have gotten a lot of garbage advise except from Otter.
I know of a similar situation with a freshman. Most talented runner in the team in years. Training was not going well. Set some records early on but results began going downhill. Athlete blamed training philosophy. Went to a different sport. Did great and had the numbers to get recruited but decided against it. Went to top academic U. Just tried out for track and made the team - avg D1.
I have met both coach and athlete above. Athlete was independent (a little nutty) but very talented and a top student. Coach was headstrong and reportedly having a panic attack during that particular incident. Reports are that coach later regretted the incident. Coach was not liked by anyone in the team and that negativity may have contributed to the freshman's decision. Met the coach and found nothing wrong with him. Really clueless about all the negativity. Others on the team blamed those who were not into running but looking for an EC. Coach apparently reads a lot about running but just doesn't get it. Lots of injuries on the team (real or fake, couldn't tell you).
I would say that such situations are unfortunate, nothing else. Think about shaving off a little ego. Expect a little more from a coach, an adult. No, I do not agree with your coach to make you run when injured. You do not owe further injury to anyone for any reason.
Public HS grounds are public. But you can't stop a football game just because you want to stretch in the middle of the field. The rest of the public also has rights and your right should not trump theirs.
You chose a different path. Good for you. Stick with it. Train yourself as best you can. When you think your training is showing results, show up, watch the practice from the stands - that's allowed. When practice ends take the field and put on an exhibition. A mature coach, will find a way to make amends. If he can't then you are better off staying away. But realize he does not have to beg you. You and the coach do not have to be friends and neither of you owes anything to the other. It's a student-teacher relationship. But if running is important to you, you are far better off being part of the team. So give it a try, following the path you chose.
in my eyes this was obviously a troll. Then again, I’ve known a handful of guys who sound like a less extreme version of this OP, and every time the athlete was overreacting and would leave out key details when talking about their plight. So either everyone replying is gullible or I am becoming jaded and cynical.
You have gotten a lot of garbage advise except from Otter.
I know of a similar situation with a freshman. Most talented runner in the team in years. Training was not going well. Set some records early on but results began going downhill. Athlete blamed training philosophy. Went to a different sport. Did great and had the numbers to get recruited but decided against it. Went to top academic U. Just tried out for track and made the team - avg D1.
I have met both coach and athlete above. Athlete was independent (a little nutty) but very talented and a top student. Coach was headstrong and reportedly having a panic attack during that particular incident. Reports are that coach later regretted the incident. Coach was not liked by anyone in the team and that negativity may have contributed to the freshman's decision. Met the coach and found nothing wrong with him. Really clueless about all the negativity. Others on the team blamed those who were not into running but looking for an EC. Coach apparently reads a lot about running but just doesn't get it. Lots of injuries on the team (real or fake, couldn't tell you).
I would say that such situations are unfortunate, nothing else. Think about shaving off a little ego. Expect a little more from a coach, an adult. No, I do not agree with your coach to make you run when injured. You do not owe further injury to anyone for any reason.
Public HS grounds are public. But you can't stop a football game just because you want to stretch in the middle of the field. The rest of the public also has rights and your right should not trump theirs.
You chose a different path. Good for you. Stick with it. Train yourself as best you can. When you think your training is showing results, show up, watch the practice from the stands - that's allowed. When practice ends take the field and put on an exhibition. A mature coach, will find a way to make amends. If he can't then you are better off staying away. But realize he does not have to beg you. You and the coach do not have to be friends and neither of you owes anything to the other. It's a student-teacher relationship. But if running is important to you, you are far better off being part of the team. So give it a try, following the path you chose.
If the kid signed up for the team, he owes it to himself to give 100% and trust the training just as the coach owes it to the athlete to give them 100%. In this case, a freshman supposedly said he knows better then his coach. That’s a big red flag
I recently resigned from my track team. My coaches program was not well fitting for what i wanted to train for (800-1600m) and decided to go unattached for this season on pursuit of a well suited training base for me. On my last day before i told my coach i was leaving we had a meet. I was supposed to run the 4x800m, 1600 and 3200 but i was on an injury around my fibula so i decided to just do the 1600m and not push it. I raced, but our 4x4 guy got hurt and coach said he was putting me on, and at this time i was hurting bad from the 1600. My pain in the leg was getting worse and i told him i couldn’t do it. His exact words were “Yeah! I don’t care, you’re running it” This was kinda of the last straw to my reason on leaving. I even tried talking to him of maybe starting a compromise with me, to show him my program does work. But he wasn’t for it and just let me go. I’m a freshman and i was our teams top 800 and 1600m runner, small town so a 4:50 and a 2:12 would be pretty good for our district. I recently recovered from my injury and had a easy ladder workout planned, as i was finishing the last sets the track coaches arrived for their practice with the other athletes and i was kicked out of the track so “i wouldn’t disturb their athletes and since i’m not part of the team anymore”. I don’t know how to take this and need advice. Also adding the sprinting coach has been bitter, ever since i left he’s been mad and bitter. Whenever i say hi he just stares and walks away. He also was the one to tell my former coach to kick me out the track since i’m not on the team.
I had a similar situation when I was a college freshman back in 2000-2001. I had a coach that I at first thought was a young charger 30 to 32ish so I accepted a scholarship and joined his program. I started seeing red flags pretty quick. We had a good indoor track but would do intervals on a BS drawn out cement circle he created, which I called the circle of doom as the majority of us wound up with injuries from him amazing invention. We would travel to meets and he wanted to wing it as in we would never stay at meet head quarter hotels we stayed at cheap sketchy motels. We never flew we would drive sometimes 15 to even 20+ hours for races. Things really got crazy when the athletic director asked me how the meet was as I was a work study student for him, when I responded it would have been nice to stay at a hotel in which it did not feel like we were going to contract tuberculosis maybe we would have gotten some rest for the race. When he responded what are you talking about I was told you guys stayed at the Courtyard by Marriot? I started realizing the coach was keeping it cheap to pocket money. I quit the team in January and transferred, the coach actually put in a resignation in the spring. Best advice I can give you take a course that one of the coaches is teaching if it is an option if you get a really bad grade and your work is adequate you have grievance. Also being that you are a freshman look at school of choice options and transfer to a school that has a good program. However if you do transfer and the problems persist it may be simply because you are difficult and want things your way which is not how life work.
A freshman who tells his coach he's not running injured in a meaningless relay (while being a better performer than everyone who has had 4 years of the coaches training) is by definition more knowledgeable than his coach.
There's a difference between respect and blind loyalty to someone who 1) doesn't get team results and 2) doesn't have your best interests in mind. It isn't like the poster stormed out in a screaming match; he left the team that he voluntarily joined to pursue other interests, as is his prerogative.
Now to the question at hand, yeah, avoid the track during team practices.
A freshman who tells his coach he's not running injured in a meaningless relay (while being a better performer than everyone who has had 4 years of the coaches training) is by definition more knowledgeable than his coach.
There's a difference between respect and blind loyalty to someone who 1) doesn't get team results and 2) doesn't have your best interests in mind. It isn't like the poster stormed out in a screaming match; he left the team that he voluntarily joined to pursue other interests, as is his prerogative.
Now to the question at hand, yeah, avoid the track during team practices.
We only have his side of the story (if this even happened at all) for one thing so it’s a little hard to side with a high school freshman. I also never said he couldn’t leave the team. I think he is foolish for thinking he knows better than the coach as a freshman 4:50 miler.
OP also thinks he’s going to USATF championships though so I guess he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed.