Because it has a profound effect on how I live, what my children are taught, and the lies that powerful people expect me to propagate about what a man or woman really are.
The Times (of London) has a new report out saying:
the international swimming governing body will seek to raise the bar on transgender inclusion in women’s sport high enough to prevent a repeat of Lia Thomas’s controversial victory in the prestigious US college championships.
Fina, the swimming governing body, is set to vote on a new policy in June and a source close to those devising the rules told The Times that under the proposed regulations Thomas — who won the 500 yards event at the NCAA championship — “would not have been able to compete with women . . . and the female category will be protected from athletes who have male advantages from male puberty and development”.
Brent Nowicki, the former counsel for the World Anti-Doping Agency and now the executive director of Fina, told The Times that Fina wanted to set “an industry standard” for all sports. Senior sources emphasised that the intention is not to exclude a swimmer such as Lia Thomas from the sport but to “make sure that elite athletes with male advantage do not get to compete in the female category”.
The proposed policy will insist that trans-women undergo at least 36 months of testosterone reduction therapy, rather than a year, which is the present precedent. Testosterone levels will also be only one measure of physical advantage, with the rules designed to ensure “prior physical development of the athlete as a male, as mitigated by any medical intervention, does not impact fair play in the female category”. Elite status is likely to start from the age of 12, about the time of puberty.
“Fina intends to produce a policy that is easy to understand and sets an industry standard,” Nowicki said. “We are working with medical and science experts, as well as current and retired athletes. We need to find the right balance of inclusion and fairness, while following the president’s [Husain Al-Musallam] message of no discrimination. We can confirm that we consulted with US swimming and worked with them as they developed their policy. We hope that our new policy will be followed by US Swimming and other stakeholders, but we do understand that we cannot intercede with national level competition in the NCAA.”
The aim is to have the new policy put to a vote of the General Congress of 206 Fina nations on the eve of the World Championships in Budapest in June. “That’s the plan but no deadline has been set because we’d rather get it right than rush it through,” a source close to the process said.
And here is an interesting news related to Thomas.
The CSCAA notably awarded the ninth-place prelim finishers in the women’s 100 free, 200 free and 500 free first-team All-American honors, and the 17th-place finishers in each event earned second-team All-American status.
It’s an important issue, and men claiming to be women have affected running as well. Take him to his logical conclusion, it will mean the effective end of women’s sports. So I think it’s important, and I’m glad the brothers have it on their site.
We keep hearing this but it never happens.
Why are people under the delusion that there tons of guys out there that would go through all the trouble of a fake gender change just to win some cheapened glory in unpaid intramural sports?
Would you?
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Why are you framing it so cynically based on intention. I am against males competing as women with their natural advantages and I also think Lia is not competing just to win easily. She obviously self identifies as a woman but the point is that she is not entitled to compete with natural born females. Whether I or anyone would change genders to beat women is a red herring. The point is that Lia Thomas and other males who identify as women have an unfair advantage.
Not sure who the brothers are virtue signaling to…the most powerful people in America, culturally speaking, see gender as a personal choice.
Whether the Thomas’s of the world become more common is up to us. How acceptable will we allow it to become? How much will we encourage children to “follow their heart” and read ordinary adolescent problems as a signal that they live in the wrong body?
You didn't even mention sport once......very clearly this outrage 'to save women;s sport' is just barely concealed fear of trans people becoming 'acceptable.' Oh the horror! People making different harmless decisions about their life than me are being accepted by society rather than outcast and shunned. Oh no! Something must be done!
It's bigotry, pure and simple.
No, it’s not. People like me were told a few years ago that two men or two women getting married had no effect on me at all. Now I’m not allowed to state my opinion at work, on social media, or in the general public, or I risk losing everything. Top companies and universities screen for politically incorrect opinions on the issue, and you can lose your job because of it. It has everything to do with me, whether I like it or not.
Because it has a profound effect on how I live, what my children are taught, and the lies that powerful people expect me to propagate about what a man or woman really are.
Please explain, with specific examples, of how a swimmer winning a NCAA championship has 'profoundly affected your daily life.'
If she didn't win, how would your life be profoundly different?
I don't think she should be allowed to compete in the female division, but to think that it 'profoundly affects' your life is absolutely absurd......whining of the highest degree.
You didn't even mention sport once......very clearly this outrage 'to save women;s sport' is just barely concealed fear of trans people becoming 'acceptable.' Oh the horror! People making different harmless decisions about their life than me are being accepted by society rather than outcast and shunned. Oh no! Something must be done!
It's bigotry, pure and simple.
No, it’s not. People like me were told a few years ago that two men or two women getting married had no effect on me at all. Now I’m not allowed to state my opinion at work, on social media, or in the general public, or I risk losing everything. Top companies and universities screen for politically incorrect opinions on the issue, and you can lose your job because of it. It has everything to do with me, whether I like it or not.
Wow......what an answer. How is that not bigotry? You just described that you're upset because now days you can't be a bigot as freely as before. In what world is that not bigotry?
Being upset that you can't be a bigot does not equal not being a bigot. The brain warp on this one is amazing.
Why are people under the delusion that there tons of guys out there that would go through all the trouble of a fake gender change just to win some cheapened glory in unpaid intramural sports?
Would you?
...
Why are you framing it so cynically based on intention. I am against males competing as women with their natural advantages and I also think Lia is not competing just to win easily. She obviously self identifies as a woman but the point is that she is not entitled to compete with natural born females. Whether I or anyone would change genders to beat women is a red herring. The point is that Lia Thomas and other males who identify as women have an unfair advantage.
Yes.....an unfair advantage that is going to be ruled out in the very near future. I'm glad you recognize how unlikely it is that people would fake being trans just to gain a competitive advantage. It's an idea thats been pushed on here many times.
The number of trans athletes is simply not high enough to 'ruin' women's sports, especially with regulations already being enacted.
I'm not saying Lia should be allowed to compete against women. I'm saying the outrage on this site is completely absurd compared to the extremely limited 'threat'. How many NCAA titles were awared last year , in all sports? How many went to trans athletes? I rest my case. The issue is a non-threat and already being worked out. The entire fuss on here is just a bunch of triggered conservatives trying to wave their flag of outrage a little harder.
I guess this whole trans debate truly has Rojo triggered. It's one thing to post about it obsessively on the boards, but putting it as top of the front page news on a running website is really a new low.
All this from a guy who doesn't really like women's sports in the first place.
Funny how a guy who loved to tear down the WNBA and told his parents not to bother watching the women's finals at NCAA because they would be 'boring', suddenly has becomed transformed into the ultimate white-knight defender and savior of the future savior of women's sports.
It's really coming across as political axe-grinding.
Somebody has to stand up against this sh!t. The entire mainstream media has coalesced around this lie - you should be more concerned about that.
I guess this whole trans debate truly has Rojo triggered. It's one thing to post about it obsessively on the boards, but putting it as top of the front page news on a running website is really a new low.
All this from a guy who doesn't really like women's sports in the first place.
Funny how a guy who loved to tear down the WNBA and told his parents not to bother watching the women's finals at NCAA because they would be 'boring', suddenly has becomed transformed into the ultimate white-knight defender and savior of the future savior of women's sports.
It's really coming across as political axe-grinding.
Somebody has to stand up against this sh!t. The entire mainstream media has coalesced around this lie - you should be more concerned about that.
I'm more concerned about the hatred spewed by people calling it 'this sh!t'
If it's your concern about women's athletics, the wheels are already turning to adapt the eligibility rules.
You, however, seem to perhaps be in a raging fury about the wider scale acceptance of trans people in society. That, thankfully, will not change.
I guess this whole trans debate truly has Rojo triggered. It's one thing to post about it obsessively on the boards, but putting it as top of the front page news on a running website is really a new low.
All this from a guy who doesn't really like women's sports in the first place.
Funny how a guy who loved to tear down the WNBA and told his parents not to bother watching the women's finals at NCAA because they would be 'boring', suddenly has becomed transformed into the ultimate white-knight defender and savior of the future savior of women's sports.
It's really coming across as political axe-grinding.
I think you have the hots for Lia, it has your mind blown, and are simply acting out. It's OK, just admit it.
Trans participation in sport is obviously a hot button issue that still needs to get worked out, but I think this specific conversation has been beat to death. Lines have been drawn, we all know more-or-less where we stand on the issue, and it seems like people are generally reluctant to change their viewpoints. There's no point in shouting about your opinion or spamming the board with thread after thread on this topic (from either side of the debate, really).
Honestly reading all these trans threads is getting monotonous. Most everyone's arguments are just repetitive and lazy. What more is there to discuss here?
What more is there to discuss?
Here is a new angle to ponder for this issue.
I think on a deeper level, this Lia Tomas issue has to do with: truth, reality, and what to believe, and what to pretend.
The media and the ruling class are telling us that Lia Tomas is a girl. We all know in reality that Lia Tomas is a boy. But should society keep pretending? The sportscaster who interviewed Lia was a representation of most left-leaning people on this forum, simply going along with the charade and pretending that Lia Tomas is a girl. Ignoring the elephant in the room.
This issue is not a grey area like Caster Semenya.
Lia Tomas was born a boy, and spent 21 years living as a boy. Lia even competed as a boy up until literally only like 2 years ago (right?).
Whats interesting is how society is dealing with this issue. Do we all play pretend? Do we play along when someone who yesterday was a boy and today claims that they are a girl?
What if that is all they do? They simply verbally claim that they are a girl. No operations. No medications. They simply "identify" as a girl. Should we take them seriously? Should we close our eyes to the truth?
Should society permit them to participate in the womens category simply because they "identify" as a girl one day?
I think this issue is deeper than just ncaa sports. I think it has to do with society's relationship with truth.
Why are you framing it so cynically based on intention. I am against males competing as women with their natural advantages and I also think Lia is not competing just to win easily. She obviously self identifies as a woman but the point is that she is not entitled to compete with natural born females. Whether I or anyone would change genders to beat women is a red herring. The point is that Lia Thomas and other males who identify as women have an unfair advantage.
Yes.....an unfair advantage that is going to be ruled out in the very near future. I'm glad you recognize how unlikely it is that people would fake being trans just to gain a competitive advantage. It's an idea thats been pushed on here many times.
The number of trans athletes is simply not high enough to 'ruin' women's sports, especially with regulations already being enacted.
I'm not saying Lia should be allowed to compete against women. I'm saying the outrage on this site is completely absurd compared to the extremely limited 'threat'. How many NCAA titles were awared last year , in all sports? How many went to trans athletes? I rest my case. The issue is a non-threat and already being worked out. The entire fuss on here is just a bunch of triggered conservatives trying to wave their flag of outrage a little harder.