Underrated NCAAs Performances

Do you not know how to use PTTiming? She was 1.6 seconds behind 25th at 2k. She was 3.7 seconds behind the leader at 2k. She was 2k into the race and had 4k left to race. She lost by 17.7 seconds.

And? Yes she chased back to the lead group by 2.5k. If you think falling and having to chase back on has no effect, ok. Go with that.

Iowa Info Power wrote:

Do you not know how to use PTTiming? She was 1.6 seconds behind 25th at 2k. She was 3.7 seconds behind the leader at 2k. She was 2k into the race and had 4k left to race. She lost by 17.7 seconds.

If you fall right after the first split, and have to spend a lot of energy getting back to where you were that can definitely take six or seven seconds off your time,

Yeah she had like 2 and 1/2 minutes of running to work her way back by the second split, but that doesn't mean she didn't spend a lot of extra energy to do that

Anyway the point I'm making is that the splits are irrelevant. All that matters is how bad the fall was and how much energy she had to use to get back to a good position. No one knows for sure but it's definitely more than 2 seconds.

Got to be 5 Seconds at the least and maybe even closer 10 seconds in terms of your finishing time. Just basic physics , each of these Runners has so much energy and if you fall and have to get up and then run around a big pack to get back to the front it's just a lot of energy.

Like I said just focusing on the splits is misleading because you can make up a lot of time in 400 m or even 200 M put the energy you used to do that it's going to hurt you later in the race

Definitely adrenaline burst after a fall that contributed to her high finish. Remember Hassan in the 1500 semi? Take the fall away and Tuohy finishes a comfortable 25th.

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You only get 5 years from the year you graduate high school. He took a gap year (not religious or military), so he has a max of 4 years of competition (instead of 5), which basically makes him a redshirt freshman, since redshirting later doesn't give him an extra season.

This is false - the eligibility clock starts when you enroll in college, not when you finish high school. If someone took a gap year after graduating in spring 2020, then enrolls in the fall of 2021, they still have five years from that point to complete four seasons of competition.

I think the person we are discussing is at Harvard, and the Ivy League does not allow fifth-year competition, but if he doesn't use all of his eligibility in four years, he would still be able to grad-transfer.

Exactly. It is just simple commonsense. This was not some leisurely race. This was the best college XC runners going all out. Catching up to the lead group required a lot of effort over the next kilometer.

Also, does anyone know of top 20 finisher at the NCAA championship that overcame a fall? In high school I recall Oakley falling at the NXN nationals but she was already comfortably in the lead. But don't recall it happening at the NCAA national championship.

*another top 20 finisher....

Brie Oakley just slipped and lost like 1 sec...tuohy was attacked by a jealous band of middling runners, attempting to diminish her heroics, big difference, notice they waited to they were in the dense forest to assault her, needs to be a criminal investigation

She would have been top 7 if she wasn't attacked by a mob, might have been some non runners involved as well... waited for a triangulation, turkey shoot, she never stood a chance...

From Whole Hog Sports —

“Arkansas’ women’s team was led by junior Lauren Gregory, who took 19th in 19:46.2 in the 6,000 meters race and earned All-American honors in cross country for the first time.

Sophomore Isabel Van Camp was an All-American for the Razorbacks by taking 37th in 19:54.7 despite losing a shoe during the race.

“Isabel had one shoe come off at 4,500 meters, so she ran with one spike and one sock the final 1,500 and made All-American,” Arkansas women’s Coach Lance Harter said.”

Looking at the splits, seems the shoe might have departed somewhere between 3-4K.

That's why Oakley isn't worthy of making it in this thread of being underrated. Who would have guessed that Tuohy could have a performance that is one of the most underrated in the NCAA? That usually is reserved for someone who is unknown or finishes significantly higher than anyone expected. I expected her to be top 3 on a good day, top 5 on an average day, and top 10 everyday. But I guess others have much lower expectations for her. She is the best high school runner of all time. I was really hoping to see her win at least 3 NCAA XC titles. I guess she can still do that due to Covid though.

Denner and Markezich’s progression this season was unreal. They were wayyy back at the Joe Piane invite earlier this year and got better every single race. Bush as well from 30th ACC last year and not making varsity for natty’s to 32nd in the country (mentioned in latest LRC podcast). ND and NCSt are going to have some very good battles the next several years, ind on the track and team wise in XC.

Sam Bush is the dreamiest 😍

astro wrote:

And? Yes she chased back to the lead group by 2.5k. If you think falling and having to chase back on has no effect, ok. Go with that.

Laurie Henes did an interview with FloTrack - maybe on YT soon. She again said Tuohy fell in the first mile, and Hannah Steelman saw it and tried to catch her. Other team mates saw it as well, and she was relieved they did not panic as the team had talked about something like that could happen and - don't panic if it happens.

Very good post about an amazing NCAA race. On the men's side to get in the top 10 took a sub 29. Top 50 sub 29:39. The runner who placed 100 ran 30:09. That's incredible quality and depth of times.

astro wrote:

Also, does anyone know of top 20 finisher at the NCAA championship that overcame a fall? .

Joe Falcon in ‘86 fell in the final 200 meters and finished 2nd.

That's a really nice interview. I think the fall happened at the point that Jeds highlighted and that we catch a glimpse of it. Everyone kept their composure and got the job done. You can tell why these athletes trust Coach Henes so much. She understands what is required to achieve longevity as a woman runner and she looks out for the well being of her athletes.