Official 2021 Nuttycombe Invite Discussion Thread: BYU vs NC State (W), Iowa State vs Oregon vs Stanford (M)

FastTuohy wrote:

MidFootStriker wrote:

Was expecting nc state to have 2 or 3 other Runners doing what Steelman did in the first 2 races besides chmiel and tuohy... was really expecting Shaw and Clairmont to be right there.... maybe starliper too... so far haven't seen a #5 who looks like a top 50 runner which is what they need...maybe they're building for a strong finish to the season... still early but not sure why some r Goin gaga

Interesting....5 within 23 seconds of Chelengat or within 32 seconds of what Kelati ran there in 2019, the aforementioned 1-5 spread of 18 seconds....Clairemonte got knocked down in that race so she is better than what was shown...that doesn't seem like such a bad team to me...I don't think NC State history says they peak too early either

which number five runner on NC state looks like a top 50 NCAA finals Runner? They lost to bYU by 70 points, where do you realistically see them making those 70 points up.??

Considering BYU should only be better this year. Latour could be a nice boost... but besides her Noone else looks to be a major difference maker from last year

I thought Cooper Teare was going to go pro.

Also, don't sleep on Arjun Jha of Indiana.

Hays, nc state's 5th at piane, was 84 th last year at Nats

Tuohy was beaten by a JC transfer who was 6th at JC Nats last year, a d2 transfer with a 1620 5k track pr who was 17th at d2 nats, and a girl what was 50th at Nats last year.... and a freshman.

Chelengat ran easy with her teamate, which presumably means Alabama could be really good if they have everyone back with this transfer and anyone else they got because they had three top Runners last year

They're still a really good team but not the way some people are making out

It can be tough to tell at tune-up races. Some runners are giving more measured performances, while other is probably feel good and decide to go all out. I have to think Touhy and some other Runners are really focused on peaking for Nationals... also doesn't look like Alabama has a fifth Runner to at all compete for title

MidFootStriker wrote:

Hays, nc state's 5th at piane, was 84 th last year at Nats

Tuohy was beaten by a JC transfer who was 6th at JC Nats last year, a d2 transfer with a 1620 5k track pr who was 17th at d2 nats, and a girl what was 50th at Nats last year.... and a freshman.

Chelengat ran easy with her teamate, which presumably means Alabama could be really good if they have everyone back with this transfer and anyone else they got because they had three top Runners last year

They're still a really good team but not the way some people are making out

I'm not sure what you have against NC state. People change from year to year. But if you insist they don't, at ND the top 5 for NC State all beat Gitahi of Alabama who was 36th in March (30th in team scoring - ahead of BYU's 5th). Alison Pray of S Utah ran right with Orton at FSU, way ahead of the rest of BYU including Frentheway who was top 20 in March and NC State had her surrounded at ND. I still think if Camp, who finished way back at FSU, returns to her March form both teams are much stronger than anyone else, and will have a close contest in November.

But maybe you think NC State peaked for the ND meet while nobody else did?

Even with a 5th runner finishing well over 100th place I see Alabama as a top 5 team.

FastTuohy wrote:

bigmig19 wrote:

Dudek has also ran low 19s. So not exactly a slouch compared these other gals. She was the real freshman phenom last year until injury. I cant believe she is 100% yet, very serious injury. So top 10 may be real expectation. No way Stanford finishes 8th though. And yes this does feel the game of the year (for us Ncaa XC nerds). Now lets get the rest of the country to appreciate!

It is being streamed on Runnerspace ($). Once again, that time (low 19s for her and several others) effort at the Pac 12 championship does not seem to be representative of what she, or anyone else who ran that course that day can do on a real 6K course. But I guess we shall see on Friday.

Yep, fast course for sure. Since you recall the discussion, im telling you, there is something scary (although not completely unprecedented) about someone with her speed having only a few years of running experience. Dropping your 5k time by almost 1 minute only a few months after winning footlocker? Winning European Championship (U20) just after starting running? Of course injury is the other option with a meteoric rise. I want to see what can happen with no injuries. She clearly has immense ceiling.

bigmig19 wrote:

FastTuohy wrote:

It is being streamed on Runnerspace ($). Once again, that time (low 19s for her and several others) effort at the Pac 12 championship does not seem to be representative of what she, or anyone else who ran that course that day can do on a real 6K course. But I guess we shall see on Friday.

Yep, fast course for sure. Since you recall the discussion, im telling you, there is something scary (although not completely unprecedented) about someone with her speed having only a few years of running experience. Dropping your 5k time by almost 1 minute only a few months after winning footlocker? Winning European Championship (U20) just after starting running? Of course injury is the other option with a meteoric rise. I want to see what can happen with no injuries. She clearly has immense ceiling.

Dude would you knock it off with this false speech you keep giving. I corrected you on another thread. Dudek ran all four years of high school. She mentioned in an interview that she loved running as a little kid. There's no truth to this idea that Dudek started running just before she had success. four years High School running listed for her on athletic.net. and she won European championships with a 931 3K which is a time that a lot of high school girls can hit... don't get me wrong she is a really good runner with a lot of potential but you're spinning in a lot of fantasy with reality

FastTuohy wrote:

MidFootStriker wrote:

Hays, nc state's 5th at piane, was 84 th last year at Nats

Tuohy was beaten by a JC transfer who was 6th at JC Nats last year, a d2 transfer with a 1620 5k track pr who was 17th at d2 nats, and a girl what was 50th at Nats last year.... and a freshman.

Chelengat ran easy with her teamate, which presumably means Alabama could be really good if they have everyone back with this transfer and anyone else they got because they had three top Runners last year

They're still a really good team but not the way some people are making out

I'm not sure what you have against NC state.

Nothing against NC State I think they're a really good team and almost definitely will get second but I don't see where they're going to get the 70 points to catch byU. I see Steelman and tuohy lookin like 15 to 30 th place runners and there 5th lookin like a 50 to 65th place runner.... byu will be at worst 10 points weaker and at best 20 points better unless they lose a key runner...

Actually Dudek is listed as running in 7th grade and then 10th 11th and 12th. Maybe she spent 8th and 9th grade in Poland. But she's been running organized tracks since 7th grade so knock off the nonsense that she new to running

Zofia Dudek

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Zofia Dudek

Track & Field Bio

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Middle School

Rankings2015 Outdoor

100m Hurdles 30" - 19.69

Team: 3rdIN: National:

1600 Meters - 5:55.36

Team: 3rdIN: National:

Training Log

5/6 Lafayette Jr High City Meet 1.06 mi.

4/7 Tecumseh vs West Lafayette & Delphi 1.06 mi.

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1600 Meters

2015 Outdoor 7 5:55.36PR

100m Hurdles - 30"

2015 Outdoor 7 19.69PR

*Improvement

2015 Outdoor Season West Lafayette MS7th Grade

1600 Meters

3 5:55.87 Apr 7 Tecumseh vs West Lafayette & Delphi Jv F

2 5:55.36PR May 6 Lafayette Jr High City Meet 7 F

100m Hurdles - 30"

There is just something about certain runners that make you know they will be great. Fisher was one. Klecker was one. Dudek looks very much like Frerichs when running.

MidFootStriker wrote:

.... and a freshman.

Chirchir is not your average freshman.

On a side note Toledo is a rising program. They have several top recruits this year.

I heard Dudek wandered into the track Stadium by mistake, saw people running, thought there was an emergency and began running too, and just happened to win the European Championship that way

She then wandered into a hospital and accidentally performed successful brain surgery on several patients.

xc-fan wrote:

MidFootStriker wrote:

.... and a freshman.

Chirchir is not your average freshman.

https://utrockets.com/news/2021/10/6/womens-cross-country-joy-chirchir-named-mac-runner-of-the-week.aspx

On a side note Toledo is a rising program. They have several top recruits this year.

Yeah I figured she was an African runner when I saw her no history on her. And I'm sure she's really good. But I'm just saying if tuohy is finishing 7th or 8th or whatever she did at a small meet, even though there was some very good teams, it's certainly not looking like a top 20 lock for Nationals. I know it's early and a lot can change

Why didn't she go to Alabama? They would have really had a powerhouse

in the gold wrote:

There is just something about certain runners that make you know they will be great. Fisher was one. Klecker was one. Dudek looks very much like Frerichs when running.

Yeah I don't know a lot of Phenoms have been built up on the girls side.... but a lot can happen. So far Kelsey chmiel is looking pretty damn good as a runner and as a humanitarian....

MidFootStriker wrote:

But I'm just saying if tuohy is finishing 7th or 8th or whatever she did at a small meet, even though there was some very good teams, it's certainly not looking like a top 20 lock for Nationals. I know it's early and a lot can change

For a "small meet" it gets some pretty good teams. fyi in 2019 Henes finished 9th in this meet and ended up 10th in NCAA championship. That meet did not include BYU and Arkansas who had 5 of top 10 at NCAA championship.

I would guess about 1/2 of the very top runners in NCAA were at this meet. Missing include Orton, Roe, Magness, O'Neal, Heymach (maybe Dudek), maybe 1-2 BYU, but who else? You will probably add Brown, but I'm not sure she is a "lock" either. Overall NCAA looks deeper this year, so it might be tougher to be top 10 or top 20 vs March.

It was definitely a good meet with a lot of strong Runners but I wouldn't say half. Rainsberger, kameli, Grace Forbes, UNC has some good runners, norris from Air Force.. who's that small runner for Notre Dame she's really good. Anyway I would say maybe 20% if that. There's a lot of good Runners out there. What about the Big East Syracuse Villanova, I don't know a lot of schools out there so I'm just throwing out a few Rando names

Yeah there's girls from Georgia Tech, Binghamton, Weber State, Northern Arizona, florida state, a few others that were top 20 last year that I don't think we're at this meet. I will say though looking at it more BYU's 6th Runner was like 115, so they really need their top five all in good shape.... nc state has way more depth

MidFootStriker wrote:

Yeah I figured she was an African runner when I saw her no history on her. And I'm sure she's really good. But I'm just saying if tuohy is finishing 7th or 8th or whatever she did at a small meet, even though there was some very good teams, it's certainly not looking like a top 20 lock for Nationals. I know it's early and a lot can change

I wouldn't say that Piane is a "small meet." And while Tuohy isn't a top 20 lock, she is doing just fine. It really doesn't matter where she is now. What's important is where she is next month.