Does your high school team have any time cuts?

So, you’re sure he is going to dominate when the Youngs and Sahlmans graduate? Have you looked at the 9th and 10th graders?

Typical Brosnan cult follower. Not only blindly believes he’s the second coming, but gets all bent and name calls anyone who isn’t a complete follower.

I bet you believe he was a 9 time all-American too.

"I've had athletes who couldn't break 30 in 5k, break 16:00 by their senior year."

No, you didnt.

California#1 wrote:

ron burgundy wine wrote:

You sure? Brosnan has coached 8 sub 4:20 1600 kids (fast kids). 5 of those ran faster than 4:25 in the 9th graders, none of which ran slower than 4:38 in 9th grader. It looks like he only has one of those (capable of sub 4:38, but not faster than 4:25) after the Youngs and Sahlmans graduate, so he’s going to have to dominate with only 1 fast kid (sub 4:20 1600). Better hit the recruiting trail hard.

Yes, Im sure. He is doing what no other coach in HS history has ever done. Hands down. NP didn't do squat before Brosnan and he knows how to get these kids on top. Some people are just leaders and others make excuses like yourself.

Yo, what grade are you in? Here's a translation of your post. "My dad is a great coach and he'll prove it! He's the best and can beat you up."

What excuses did Ron Burgandy make? Sounds like you're just mad bro.

Newbury Park is the best Boys and girls program in the country right now and continues to change the game.

And to Ron Burgundy Wine : “Some people can’t function without negativity because bringing down others makes them feel better”

sad but true wrote:

Newbury Park is the best Boys and girls program in the country right now and continues to change the game.

And to Ron Burgundy Wine : “Some people can’t function without negativity because bringing down others makes them feel better”

Fair enough. We’ll see if they continue to be the best and change the game when the Youngs and Sahlmans move on. Simply pointing out the current group of 9th and 10th graders don’t seem to have the kids to do it.

Everyone could see 2 years ago where this team was heading. The future doesn’t look so clear now.

Is that being negative or a hater? Not trying to bring anyone down, just looking at numbers.

Bracing myself for the onslaught on name calling.

ron burgundy wine wrote:

sad but true wrote:

Newbury Park is the best Boys and girls program in the country right now and continues to change the game.

And to Ron Burgundy Wine : “Some people can’t function without negativity because bringing down others makes them feel better”

Fair enough. We’ll see if they continue to be the best and change the game when the Youngs and Sahlmans move on. Simply pointing out the current group of 9th and 10th graders don’t seem to have the kids to do it.

Everyone could see 2 years ago where this team was heading. The future doesn’t look so clear now.

Is that being negative or a hater? Not trying to bring anyone down, just looking at numbers.

Bracing myself for the onslaught on name calling.

Continuing at the same level will require more families with talented kids deliberately choosing to live in Newbury Park.

I was in HS a long time ago. We had a traveling team for xc of 7 runners, top 5 scored and 2 extras. If you didn't make the cut you didn't make the traveling team. The others could train and run home meets, but there wasn't an extreme time difference between the travelers and the rest. It was certainly manageable with one coach monitoring road runs from his car. There wasn't much other incentive to train than to make the traveling team, just like every other sport in HS at the time. Certainly no one did it for photo ops or FB likes, since FB was decades in the future. Track and xc actually took in a lot of kids who weren't good at any other sport (like me).

Big Joe wrote:

And he isn't doing it by having 100 boys on the team because it would take too much time away from the varsity. Too many hobby joggers here who don't understand that cross country is a sport just like basketball or football. Allowing every kid to remain on the team just contributes to the reputation of the sport that it is for all of the kids who can't make it elsewhere. Varsity basketball teams have 12 kids and 3 coaches yet many of you seem to think competitive cross country teams can have 100 kids with 2 coaches. That is why you aren't winning state championships year after year. Mirror what NP is doing if you want to be at the top of the sport.

I think you have unlocked the secret formula. Just cut every team down to 7 runners and they will all be National class. Why didn't we think of this sooner?

tigidig wrote:

I was in HS a long time ago. We had a traveling team for xc of 7 runners, top 5 scored and 2 extras. If you didn't make the cut you didn't make the traveling team. The others could train and run home meets, but there wasn't an extreme time difference between the travelers and the rest. It was certainly manageable with one coach monitoring road runs from his car. There wasn't much other incentive to train than to make the traveling team, just like every other sport in HS at the time. Certainly no one did it for photo ops or FB likes, since FB was decades in the future. Track and xc actually took in a lot of kids who weren't good at any other sport (like me).

Those two "extras" should at least be credited with "assists" because sometimes they can make the difference.

No, i train with a private coach

Mine better not. I graduated nearly 40 years ago, and am still the best XC runner the school ever had. They need all the help they can get.

ron burgundy wine wrote:

California#1 wrote:

RIP Great Oak. That team will never be the same again. As long as Brosnan is coaching at NP they will dominate.

You sure? Brosnan has coached 8 sub 4:20 1600 kids (fast kids)

Fast kids? 420 mile just isn't that fast.

These kids are pretty average to be honest.

I would love to have enough kids to be able to make cuts. We have about a dozen of each gender, and if we cut kids, we would run out of runners in the future. Heck, we have had years with fewer than 7 girls. We do, however, have time standards for track, as we only get one bus.

Newkirk wrote:

Because NP is the best team in the country but they keep only about 25 guys on the team. Learn from the best. Most of the posters are hobby joggers. The same logic would require the football team to keep everyone around who tries out so that they will stay interested in playing in the Saturday morning flag football game at the park when they are 40.

When you can get over 25 to try the sport, it is easy to make cuts because there has to be some quality. When you get half that number, you can't afford to cut anyone who is trying.

That makes sense but many people are disagreeing with cutting kids from teams that have 200 combined boys and girls.

We dont have enough to cut people like 20 to 30 total boys and girls for xc. For us xc is basically just prep for track anyway. In indoor I suppose we could cut cuz we generally have a lot(the previous AD tried for 2 years to get me to cut people I just ignored him) but we need every possible person if were going to try to be good. You never know who will develop and unless you are bringing people in/acquiring extra talent in whatever way you use you are going to need a lot of people to be good.

One thing that always amuses me is when people say track should cut people like football. Most football teams that I know of dont cut because again you need every body that is willing to try. Our school has 1500 with about 100-110 on football they dont cut unless someone doesnt show up etc. That's how many u need to be good. Plus it gives kids more opportunities. If you arent into that you prob should be coaching at a higher level anyway and stop slumming at the hs level.

Finally we had a girl finish today in 45 minutes. Last week she was 51. She got cut from volleyball and couldnt run 2 laps on the track without stopping when she started. Soon she'll prob be able to run 3 miles without stopping. If you have a problem with that its just sad and I feel bad for you sorry. Also she might be a pretty good thrower I'm not sure how good yet we just started but prob minimum 28 to 30.

Newkirk wrote:

Because NP is the best team in the country but they keep only about 25 guys on the team. Learn from the best. Most of the posters are hobby joggers. The same logic would require the football team to keep everyone around who tries out so that they will stay interested in playing in the Saturday morning flag football game at the park when they are 40.

I don't coach a boys team.

Right now one of my top 5 who is running high 18's had an older sister that was a 28 minute 5k runner. Without knowing her younger sister was a potential talent for the team I treated her like everyone else and never had any intention of cutting her. What I know now is she would have gone to private school had I cut her older sister.

I have other examples of this with siblings and friends. You never know where talent is coming from. The team I coach has been highly successful with numerous state titles and national rankings for 20+ years. We can not recruit from outside our small district so we have to be careful to encourage those that we have.

Aside from this, it can be very empowering for a female athlete who might not be considered for any other team to drop from 27 to 22 in a 5k. I have had those runners also. They are what makes high school coaching so rewarding.

But it is also not all about winning (which we do anyway) but it seems like I might have a hard time convincing some here of that.

As a HS coach, I concur. The entire point of HS athletics is to get more kids involved in sports, get fit and develop healthy habits. The trophies and glory are an added bonus.