Sub-elite men trying to race elite women at the end of a road race is the worst. (from David Monti @d9monti)

Is she calling herself JV then? Cuz a woman running 2:44 is about as good as a man running 2:20

When any of us gets into the last 200m of a race, don't we always try to pass whoever we're catching up to, in front of us?

Uh...yes!

It's motivation to shave a second or two off our time and get the absolute best out of ourselves. To think that as you're finishing a race, you're supposed to scan those in front of you, consider age, gender, sexual orientation and where they might be on the ease-of-offending hierarchy and then calculate how much you need to let up so you don't offend them or their allies on some social media site, is one of the stupidest "hot takes" I've heard in a long, long time.

some women don't like it because it disrupts the fake leftist narrative that women can beat men in physical competitions, dominate and emasculate and literally beat up men in fights.

this hollywood fantasy that constantly depicts women kicking men's asses in fights is disturbing. Have you ever seen what happens when a man beats on a women in real life? It's not pretty, yet leftist hollywood wants it both ways.

Alter Klocker wrote:

A race is a race. I walked a marathon recently and in the last half-mile or so was trying very hard to pass one last "runner," who happened to be a woman. She found a kick in the last few hundred meters and finished about a half-minute ahead of me.

*Of course* she and I were in different divisions. *Of course* I had a chip-time advantage, having started at the back of the pack. But physically trying to pass that other human being got a better performance from me, and a better performance from her.

Play the game with the other people in the event. Sort out sexes and age groups later.

Why would anyone walk a marathon? And, people who walk marathons care about their time and consider it a race? If it's a race, why are you walking? I mean, I feel like any able bodied person should be able to, on any given day without notice, walk 26.2 miles. It would just suck. Do people "train" to walk a marathon? Why?

It goes both ways on this.

Suppose a woman is running in the 45-49F age group and is running hard to the finish line. She that she's about to pass three people right before the finish. Because of the new rules created by some geniuses on twitter, now she has to know and factor in what age and gender group they're in, so she doesn't "spoil the moment" of someone in a more "preferred" social class. She calculates they look to be sub-elite, white males, so she accelerates and passes them.

Little does she know, within minutes twitter is blowing up because of her terrible faux pas. One of those she passed was a transgender-female victim of the patriarchy whose PR moment was being profiled by MSNBC. Soon she'll be doxxed and canceled for her unacceptable insensitivity, and the embarrassment she caused.

There are men racing in women’s races claiming they are women. This is what you should be mad about.

If a man completing as a man in the men’s section is going head to head with a woman in the women’s section, I don’t have a problem with it. Game on.

If it’s a man claiming to be a woman, then that’s messed up and it’s cheating.

Kvothe wrote:

I'd move aside for a woman breaking an American national record or world record. Otherwise, I'm racing.

I ran about 20 miles with Deena Kastor at the 2015 Chicago Marathon when she successfully ran an AR masters record.

I absolutely would have outkicked her if we were together at the line (and I had the requisite speed left), although I would have taken a different line to the finish separate from her laterally.

In that spirit, at about 20 miles into the race, I turned to her and jokingly said “Deena, it looks like it’s me and you battling it out for the overall masters title, and I’ve got better 5k speed.”

She looked at me, gave me a wry smile that suggested she’d been in higher pressure racing situations before than she was facing while hearing trash talk from a middle aged guy from Orlando, then promptly but 3 minutes on me the last 10k.

David doesn’t seem to mention Shalane at all. He posted his Twitter before shalane finished, in fact.

Defer to Andy Kaufman on this one.

GettingFasterDude wrote:

It goes both ways on this.

Suppose a woman is running in the 45-49F age group and is running hard to the finish line. She that she's about to pass three people right before the finish. Because of the new rules created by some geniuses on twitter, now she has to know and factor in what age and gender group they're in, so she doesn't "spoil the moment" of someone in a more "preferred" social class. She calculates they look to be sub-elite, white males, so she accelerates and passes them.

Little does she know, within minutes twitter is blowing up because of her terrible faux pas. One of those she passed was a transgender-female victim of the patriarchy whose PR moment was being profiled by MSNBC. Soon she'll be doxxed and canceled for her unacceptable insensitivity, and the embarrassment she caused.

+1 Lol that made me chuckle.

4214125running wrote:

Is she calling herself JV then? Cuz a woman running 2:44 is about as good as a man running 2:20

a men's 220 is more like a woman's 234

Burritos and Beers wrote:

Only time where I've seen it as offensive is when a dude broke the tape that was being held for the first female. Such a dick move.

Disko Eric wrote:

That actually just recently happened. What race was that? It was on TV. I don’t think it was a marathon though. Maybe it was July 4 race in Atlanta.

Glass City Marathon. I love it when she calls him an @SShole at the finish.

trollin' along wrote:

Burritos and Beers wrote:

Only time where I've seen it as offensive is when a dude broke the tape that was being held for the first female. Such a dick move.

Disko Eric wrote:

That actually just recently happened. What race was that? It was on TV. I don’t think it was a marathon though. Maybe it was July 4 race in Atlanta.

Glass City Marathon. I love it when she calls him an @SShole at the finish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzFVc8VNAY

that’s hilarious. Guy is a complete tool, but still fun to watch.

Great story.

What strikes me most in the Shalane finish video is the difference in running form. Her running form is very good, he's falling apart.

twain wrote:

Iron Bars wrote:

Twitterverse is populated by idiots.

Twitter is short for twit litter.

This. This place used to be worse than Twitter but that changed long ago and everyone currently using Twitter gets a share of credit for that.

dhaaga wrote:

2014 Boston I caught up to Joan Benoit Samuelson about 200m before the finish and sed something creative like "go Joan". She kicked like her life depended on it and left me and several others in the dust. She's always been a competitor, and I seriously doubt she would have wanted me or any other man to "let" her finish ahead of us.

likewise, I doubt Shalane Flanagan needs/wants any favors from male runners. As others have said, yeah, of course don't break the women's winner's tape, but otherwise show respect for the other runner by racing them.

Had to laugh when I saw this because my contribution was also going to be involving a Joan Benoit race ... except it was about 40 years ago at the Crim 10M. In both of her record performances in '80 and '82, I happened to finish right behind her. I don't recall the circumstances in 80; she might have caught me at the end and I don't think I was even aware she was there until that point.

In '82, I was in 51-52 shape, but went out stupidly hard and she and a few men, running together, caught me at 8M. I was able to stay with the group, but didn't try and kick with her at the very end. My take was that it was a privilege to be there on the course close by when she set both records.

Disko Eric wrote:

trollin' along wrote:

Glass City Marathon. I love it when she calls him an @SShole at the finish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzFVc8VNAY

that’s hilarious. Guy is a complete tool, but still fun to watch.

What's really funny is if you go to the race website, it looks like they had her "finish" the race again and photoshopped in other runners, etc. to make it look legit. Exact same time 2:52:52, same guy holding the banner, but now she is wearing tights.

Disko Eric wrote:

trollin' along wrote:

Glass City Marathon. I love it when she calls him an @SShole at the finish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUzFVc8VNAY

that’s hilarious. Guy is a complete tool, but still fun to watch.

Looks like he's reppin' Harvard