Intersex athletes are making a mockery of our sport

the rhyme is what matters here, smart guy

I have a question. Why wasn't the intersex thing a problem 20 years ago? How was this not a problem before Caster? Why is it happening all of a sudden in the last few years?

potato_salad wrote:

the rhyme is what matters here, smart guy

Ok, how about:

1) PEDs injected with needles

2) Testes that are infrarenal

that's not bad

It is a shame and unfair to the top women runners.

Breakfast In Bed wrote:

I have a question. Why wasn't the intersex thing a problem 20 years ago? How was this not a problem before Caster? Why is it happening all of a sudden in the last few years?

And why is it mostly African Athletes? The 2 Namibeans, Semenya, Niyonsaba and Wambui in the 800, Seyni who ran a 49.19 for 400, The only other 1 is from India (Chand I THINK is her name) and she is not World Class, Why is there none in USA, Canada, or Europe (World 800 Record Holder Kratochvilova looked like a Man, but was not called Intersex)

In the USA we have 2 boys in Connecticut and a Recent Division 2 Hurdler who is Male (Even competed as a man his first 3 years of College) But That is an ENTIRELY different Category Males who think they are Female (A Severe Psychological Problem) I Think Brittney Griner a USA Basketball Player might be Intersex She Sounds like a Man and has features like A Man, but that is the only American Intersex Athlete I can think of.

Wouldn't Intersex people be in EVERY Country? and Wouldn't they have dominated Women's Sports for a Long Time? Probably as long as there has been Sports?

Breakfast In Bed wrote:

I have a question. Why wasn't the intersex thing a problem 20 years ago? How was this not a problem before Caster? Why is it happening all of a sudden in the last few years?

Umm... ever heard of Santhi Soundarajan?

Why do they never mention on the broadcast that Niyonsaba and Mboma are intersex?

RunRagged wrote:

douglas burke wrote:

And why is it mostly African Athletes? The 2 Namibeans, Semenya, Niyonsaba and Wambui in the 800, Seyni who ran a 49.19 for 400, The only other 1 is from India (Chand I THINK is her name) and she is not World Class, Why is there none in USA, Canada, or Europe (World 800 Record Holder Kratochvilova looked like a Man, but was not called Intersex)

Wouldn't Intersex people be in EVERY Country? and Wouldn't they have dominated Women's Sports for a Long Time? Probably as long as there has been Sports?

There have actually been a lot of XY DSD athletes in women's sports from all around the world

Did any of them break records in multiple track and field events because they were fundamentally so much better than their competition that the women couldn't compete at their level? We've never seen it at the level Caster and Mboma have been doing it.

I think you can safely add Hima Das of India, who won world junior championship in the 400 in 2018, to the list of XY DSDs. Mysteriously injured so no entries in 400s ever since the new rules went into effect and only some slow 200s in competition.

There's lots of history of world record and medal winning questionable women pre-1967 chromosome testing. Top women track and field athletes simply retired. The one that was cruelly humiliated and had records and medals stripped, Ewa Klobukowska, probably didn't/doesn't have the currently regulated DSDs, but had some cells with y chromosomes.

Bring back sex verification.

Why would anyone oppose it???

foxymoron wrote:

The World Athletics’ DSD regulations only apply to individuals who are: legally female (or intersex) and who have one of a certain number of specified DSDs, which mean that they have: 1) male chromosomes (XY), not female chromosomes (XX); 2) testes, not ovaries; 3) circulating testosterone in the male range (7.7 to 29.4 nmol/L), not the (much lower) female range (0.06 to 1.68 nmol/L) and 4) the ability to make use of that testosterone circulating within their bodies (i.e., they are ‘androgen-sensitive’).

So I get the XY chromosome and I get the testes v ovaries but if you have xx and no testes and you just produce naturally higher testosterone or your body is naturally more sensitive to testosterone than isn't that just a genetic benefit no more so than having more fast twitch muscle fibres or an ability to produce less lactate?

Not true according to the updated criteria of World Athletics from after the Semenya case.

"For these purposes:

(a) A Relevant Athlete is an athlete who meets each of the following three criteria:

(i) she has one of the following DSDs:

(A) 5α‐reductase type 2 deficiency;

(B) partial androgen insensitivity syndrome (PAIS);

(C) 17β‐hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase type 3 (17β‐ HSD3) deficiency;

(D) congenital adrenal hyperplasia;

(E) 3β‐hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase deficiency;

(F) ovotesticular DSD; or

(G) any other genetic disorder involving disordered gonadal steroidogenesis;4

and

(ii) as a result, she has circulating testosterone levels in blood of five (5) nmol/L or

above;5

and

(iii) she has sufficient androgen sensitivity for those levels of testosterone to have a

material androgenising effect."

D, F and G can be XX conditions. Any mention of 46, XY has been phased out of the rules as there are multiple conditions where a DSD athlete can have elevated testosterone levels. That even includes mosaicism where some cells are XX, and others are different formations.

There are other issues with the outdated list you provided, such as some DSD women having ovaries AND testes. Clearly WA saw a need for a more comprehensive update.

Breakfast In Bed wrote:

I have a question. Why wasn't the intersex thing a problem 20 years ago? How was this not a problem before Caster? Why is it happening all of a sudden in the last few years?

Easy. There's an ongoing blacklash against LGBT rights, specifically a moral panic about trans and intersex people

A new rule in 2019 eliminated D and F categories. That still leaves the all-encompassing G. But no XX athlete is subject to the rule according to their press release.

"The DSD regulations only apply to individuals who are:

legally female (or intersex) and

who have one of a certain number of specified DSDs, which mean that they have:

male chromosomes (XY) not female chromosomes (XX)

testes not ovaries

circulating testosterone in the male range (7.7 to 29.4 nmol/L) not the (much lower) female range (0.06 to 1.68 nmol/L); and

the ability to make use of that testosterone circulating within their bodies (i.e., they are ‘androgen-sensitive’)."