Serious discussion: Israel has the most cases of covid per capita in the world right now. What is going on?

The problem with this thread is that it makes presumptions about Israel that are false. Israel was early with vaccination, but it does not have close to universal vaccination. There’re plenty of young people who have not gotten, and plenty of very religious folks who haven’t and won’t. It also has a lot of testing. Cases have been a stupid stat to track for months so I’m a little disappointed in Rojo for focusing on it. Israel pop. 9+M 7-day avg deaths of 29, Georgia with about a million more people is at 81 and there’re many US states doing worse. Serious cases in Israel has fallen over the past week from 720ish to 660. Florida had 15K+ hospitalized with COVID, I’m not even sure how many cases would be deemed serious but their death rate is about 5 times higher than Israel.

sohum wrote:

The majority of us are fully capable of reading conflicting posts and deciding for ourselves.

Feel free to demonstrate this capability whenever.

The number of cases stats never meant much to me because it’s heavily reliant on how many people are tested.

If you only test sick people, you won’t know about asymptotic cases.

I’ve never had a covid test.

The death stats don’t mean as much because people do get very sick, take up a hospital bed and recover. That’s pretty bad.

If half the population was hospitalized but recovered, that would be awful but the death stats would be great.

So, what’s the hospitalization rate in comparison?

Are they getting really sick at the highest rate?

Jesus christ wejo... there are literally 8 COVID/vax posts on the front page and 3 alone by the worst troll on this site (Unkle) on the front page.

Can you not add to the spam. Use one of the 19 existing threads. It's like you can't even follow your own thread guidelines.

Before they even rolled them out, there were experts warning the vaxxes wouldn't work. But oops wrong experts - says your TV and its raving mob of lunatic fans.

They'll rave again at this, but Geert's prediction was right.

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/c-19-pandemia-quo-vadis-homo-sapiens

FIVE TIMES HIGHER.

All lives matter kiddos, don’t forget that.

Harambe wrote:

Noyankee wrote:

This is the only logical conclusion. You can spin all the data you’d like and speak to every Dr, but logic does not lie. The vaccinated absolutely must be spreading this virus. Fauci didn’t mention this amongst his propaganda did he folks?

Absolutely there can be transmission among vaccinated people. That's acknowledged.

It's about an order of magnitude less than unvaccinated people, maybe more.

Let's not go full stupid on every thread, bucko.

Noyankee is perhaps the dumbest poster here.

KoyPond wrote:

They are also the most vaccinated. It isn’t a coincidence. The vaxxed are spreading.

Most vaccinated? Not even close.

Israel 68%.

UK 71%.

Italy 71%.

France 72%.

Canada 74%.

Ireland 74%.

Chile 75%.

Denmark 76%.

Uruguay 77%.

Singapore 78%.

Spain 79%.

Portugal 86%.

Truth is vaccines are working to keep this virus alive. Too early to judge beyond that. Israel rolling the 4th booster, doesn’t seem to be working that well.

Badge of honor coming from a someone who can’t debate a single word. You clowns have no answers. Toss out data like you know something when the truth slaps you in the face. Vaccinated people are spreading this virus unlike any other time in History. How’s that bozo?

Harambe wrote:

You got that right wrote:

+1

That crosses the line when he spreads death rumors and has absolutely no evidence to support his allegations. One of the posters he suggested that had passed, I found alive & well posting regularly on a anti-vaxx site. When I brought this to his attention he basically called me a liar! But this is simply how a Liberal debates on just about any issue these days.

I am happy to accept evidence of our dear friend Allen53's, uh, life. I asked for evidence but you didn't share?

Really Harambe? I'm suppose to disclose the anti-vaxx site he's been active on so you can go over there and antagonize & harass him? Lol. And in addition to you, there's several trolls here that wouldn't hesitate to stink up that site going after Allen.

You see, you've brought this upon yourself with your imperious attitude and constant demeaning & insulting directed at posters who don't agree with you. This is the tactic the Liberals are using against the anti-vaxxers, the vaccine hesitant, the pro-choicers/inform consenters, etc. You've arbitrarily lumped all these groups into Trump supporters & Right Wing conservatives. That could be farest from the truth as I personally know some card-carrying moderate Democrats & Libertarians who don't want the vaccine believing in medical freedom & informed consent. I also know some Republicans who have taken the vaccine and are benevolent in pushing the vaccine on people & basically feel it's a personal choice. It's you Liberals that have demonized the anti-vaxxers & vaccine hesitant. You don't care about medical freedom & informed consent free of being pressured, coerced, threatened & forced through employer mandates to put a substance, against one's will, in your body. If a person, regardless of political affiliation, or lack thereof, doesn't bow down to the Left & take the vaccine, you become a political enemy of the Left.

Freedom isn't a gift - it has to be earned! This country, through war with England, earned freedom for its citizens. The Constitution & Bill of Rights are there for reason - to ensure that every American has freedom from government tyranny! Read some of writings of my favorite president, Thomas Jefferson, to understand how important it is to have freedom from tyranny!

You Libs are trying to divide this country even more than it is by politicizing Covid. You couldn't wait to get Trump out of office & now you want to punish people who supported him by going after the anti-vaxxers & vaccine hesitant. Most Republican politicians believe in the vaccine but go about recommending it in much different way that the tyrannical Democratic politicians:

Democrats - Demand Covid vaccine be taken. No honor for informed consent. Suppression of medical freedom & personal choice. Support vaccine mandates, vaccine passports, etc. Support punitive measures against those that decline. Encourage harassment & antagonism against those that are pro-choice & decline the vaccine.

Republicans - Strongly Recommend Covid vaccine be taken. Respects informed consent. Defends & respects medical freedom & personal choice involving medical interventions & procedures. Against all mandates & passports - forbids government involvement. Supports & respects people's choice. Against all medical tyranny.

☝️And since you claim "Libertarianism" as your political belief system (Lol), I would suggest you listen to Libertarian Tom Woods on this. In fact, why don't you reach out to him & set up a debate if you disagree with & he's wrong about everything. This way we can see you "put your money where you mouth is" & see what you got.

Clearly the vaccine does not protect against transmission or susceptibility, but probably reduces severity, although it is also obvious that delta is much less lethal than alpha. Unvaccinated people who were exposed and recovered have both innate and acquired immunity whereas it is apparent that the vaxxed only get the latter, and must be constantly re-jabbed, possibly for the rest of their lives. Does the jab compromise T-cell immunity? The corporates almost certainly know, and yet their silence is deafening.

Of course the BS about "pandemic of the unvaccinated" is necessary to maximize fear, blame, manipulation and profits.

Israel tests too many people. Why are they testing so many people. Why are we testing so many people here. Of course there is virus in peoples noses, that means nothing as there are always viruses in people's noses. When have we ever as a society routinely tested for corona viruses in people's noses? Most likely, we would have the same results that we have this year. It is completely ridiculous. Stop mass testing, it only fuels paranoia and does not protect anyone.

What say you now Wejo wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Absolutely there can be transmission among vaccinated people. That's acknowledged.

It's about an order of magnitude less than unvaccinated people, maybe more.

Let's not go full stupid on every thread, bucko.

Noyankee is perhaps the dumbest poster here.

+1, nice to Harambe complete own him so easily. Wee man put back in his box 😂😂😂

Harambe is a Nazi not a Libertarian. Come on, we all now this.

Noyankee wrote:

Badge of honor coming from a someone who can’t debate a single word. You clowns have no answers. Toss out data like you know something when the truth slaps you in the face. Vaccinated people are spreading this virus unlike any other time in History. How’s that bozo?

I don’t need to add a single word to the “debate”, all I was doing is highlighting your post and the reply that totally destroyed you.

You’re the one who was rendered wordless until I triggered you, then you couldn’t help yourself 👋🏼

You appear foolish to others.

Adultintheroom wrote:

What say you now Wejo wrote:

Noyankee is perhaps the dumbest poster here.

+1, nice to Harambe complete own him so easily. Wee man put back in his box 😂😂😂

Um...no. No evidence of the "order of magnitude", that is 10x, difference in spreading the virus. Most unvaxxed people are smart enough to stay home if they are sick. This is entirely made up. Harambe is just lying as usual.

What say you now Wejo wrote:

Noyankee wrote:

Badge of honor coming from a someone who can’t debate a single word. You clowns have no answers. Toss out data like you know something when the truth slaps you in the face. Vaccinated people are spreading this virus unlike any other time in History. How’s that bozo?

I don’t need to add a single word to the “debate”, all I was doing is highlighting your post and the reply that totally destroyed you.

You’re the one who was rendered wordless until I triggered you, then you couldn’t help yourself 👋🏼

You appear foolish to others.

I just think it’s really cute that noyankee (edgy) thinks he’s still involved in a debate when in reality he just embarrassed himself.

You got that right wrote:

Really Harambe? I'm suppose to disclose the anti-vaxx site he's been active

How else should I believe that he's still on this Earth?

Considering the misinformation you post daily... you're not the most trustworthy man, my dude.

You did nothing to earn the freedom you now wield to harm those in your community. Americans are dying unvaccinated because of misinformation and innocent Americans are dying because they cannot get emergency care.

I'm a libertarian, I support private individuals and freedom of association. If a business says they only want vaccinated employees and customers, that's their right. This is basic stuff. It's not about politics though, that you seem to be obsessed with, it's about looking at the evidence and deciding what the rational choice is.

Are you vaccinated?