Seth DeMoor FTW -- Repeats at Pikes Peak Marathon -- 3:36:46

ClaytonHammer wrote:

How is that different from any mountain/trail/ultra race? It's always a couple of "good" runners, a shyte ton of hobby joggers who have lives, real jobs, kids, other hobbies, and a small number of people who just want to walk the whole thing for the LOLZ.

But yeah, this race gives him enough content for 10+ videos (he's already released 3 videos before the race), some more credibility, etc. it's all for his YouTube channel.

100% true on everything

1. He has said many times that climbing is his strength, and he played to it

2. He said in the pre-race video of PPM race plan, that his tactic was to attack the ascent for a PB, and take the downhill with what he had left. Absolutely spot on, and not 'going out too hard'. Job done and the win.

3. Kilian Jornet summited in 2:09:12 when he won it - and the 2021 winner of the ascent did it in 2:12. This was one of the most impressive things SJD has done - he's a real pocket-rocket on the climbs and he'll dominate the ascent at least for a while, barring injury.

4. As someone has said, not SJD's fault that the Europeans couldn't get over. He executed to a T .

5. He also specifically said that he wanted to race Kilian on the Peak. Mind you I think he'd get well beaten, but he'd be in and around on the ascent, and maybe could get pulled along to a faster time if the top guys were there. Would be in a shout for a podium.

Seth has sponsorships (or 'submissions for review') for equipment, clothes, watches and seeing as he seems to eat like a bird, prob doesn't spend much on himself apart from camera gear. Their cars for example aren't flashy, prob paid off, and they've a good family unit. He'll do alright, especially when he keeps performing.

One major plus that he has is the daily videos, but more importantly the engagement on them. That's big - QOD and so on keep the audience and the algorithm both ticking along.

Say what you want, but to have the CR on STRAVA on Pikes Peak is a list of multiple world champions and national team members -

1. Seth Demoor, 2:05:38

2. Joe Gray, 2:07:58

3. Kilian Jornet, 2:08:11

4. Sage Canaday, 2:09:08

5. Andy Wacker, 2:11:41

6. Remi Bonnet, 2:15:28

7. David Sinclair, 2:15:42

8. Darren Thomas, 2:16:12

9. Marc Lauenstein, 2:18:03

10. Oriol Cardona Coll, 2:19:17

11. Stian Angermund, 2:19:24

12. Aritz Egea, 2:19:52

https://www.strava.com/segments/2414953?filter=overall

Wow you are going off of Strava? Gray and Kilian barely upload to strava.

1. Gray has the fastest ascent out of everyone on that list you put up there from 2016 when he started late behind all the athletes in the corral and still ran faster than seth and kilian.

2. You can't compare Grays time this year to Seth's. Gray 6 days ago won a huge national title in mountain running and up and down and then during the ascent on Saturday the weather was atrocious compared to the perfect conditions seth had. Many athletes who doubled ran faster during marathon the next day which says a lot about just how bad the weather was.

3. Also, lets be honest. Head to head is where it counts, Gray raced seth already this year (and many times the last years) and absolutely crushed him at gopro games. I could be wrong but hasn't Gray beat Seth every time they've raced? Seth was also set to race Gray in Utah, we were all waiting but sj bailed. Seth and Gray/Kilian do not belong in same convo.

I don't think anyone's aim in this thread (or anyone else) is to say that SJD is the greatest mountain racer about. Or to compare him H2H with Joe Gray - an excellent runner.

The point of the thread was to commend an excellent effort in getting back-to-back wins, and to point out how brilliant his ascent was.

Do Kilian and SJD belong in the same sentence? In all-time lists, or in CCC/UTMB, or most European circuits, nah of course not. On the Pikes Peak ascent, yes. Absolutely. That is the point: just how good that ascent effort was. It was world-class / world-leading.

If Kilian was there with the top Europeans, there would be a negligible lead at the top, and SJD could use him as a carrot to aim for a podium.

I won my 5k race this weekend in 22:30, I know it was a weak field but they gave me a medal anyway. I'm thinking about giving them back the T shirt though since I feel bad that my performance isn't acceptable.

Agreed, too much negativity toward Seth when trying to compare him against others. Winning Pikes Peak two years in a row is a great accomplishment. His time on the ascent is world class on Pikes Peak.

ClaytonHammer wrote:

big run guy wrote:

https://socialblade.com/youtube/c/sethdemoor

If the high end estimate is remotely accurate, he's got generational wealth. More people are sitting on trust funds than you think, they just never speak of it. Even if his sponsorshorships get him 100k, he'd be sinking in that house.

Definitely true. A $1mil house. 4 kids. Wife doesn't work. 2 cars. Probably has awful and expensive health insurance as a self-employed person. State income tax of 5%. The numbers would look bad even at $200k/year.

just gonna fact check this for a minute. His wife is a public school teacher. Because of this he has really GOOD health insurance through her position. They have 2 cars I believe they bought used. The house may be $1 million, where did you hear that? I would assume, given the location and the size, that's probably closer to $850,000.

Gray's fastest ascent is just over a minute faster than Seth's ascent this year. Compare whatever year you want, Seth's ascent effort this year was very impressive and one of the fastest ever while he was running the marathon. Seth clearly wasn't racing at the Gopro games, so you can throw that one out. Gray is the American short distance trail running goat, and Kilian is probably the overall trail running goat, but that doesn't take away that Seth's PPM effort is very much up their with them even if he isn't in the same conversation overall.

If he could improve his downhill running, he'd be one of the best mountain runners currently running.

Let me know when Gray races the Pikes Peak Marathon.

Thanks.

Let me know when seth wins 5 consecutive US mountain run titles and then 4 straight pikes ascents. Oh and 6 days before winning the most recent pikes joe won his 5th US mountain title. Oh that's right, seth tried those but each time was beaten by gray!

Seth had bandages on his knees in the podium photo I just saw. So seems he fell (happens to even the best) so maybe his descent would have been a lot better?

Guess will only know when he gives feedback

Great race for Seth. No one can take that away from him. Seth admitted that he has been neglecting his stretching and rolling. That would help him with his downhill racing.

He has a bloody knee in this photo which was apparently taken with about a mile to go. We'll probably hear the story tomorrow.

https://twitter.com/ATRAtrailrunner/status/1429483206953238538?s=09

The woman that came in 2nd yesterday wore kneepads.

https://twitter.com/ATRAtrailrunner/status/1429551568777404417?s=19

If there is one thing Joe Gray is not is he is not INSECURE. So whoever is trying to make him look bad by defending his pride and ego give it a rest. His resume speaks for itself. However, he hasn't raced PPM nor ever had the fitness. He's a short mountain and uphill specialist. Look what Walmsley was able to do at Sierre-Zinal, #1 American all-time performance in his first try killing Gray's times so understand the sport a little.

Looks like Seth went with Pulsars.. great choice. That's what Kilian wore in 2019.

its only 5k wrote:

It’s like say, to be honest all colleague races are weak fields and ant winners yawn not impressive….

Really?

I gotta ask, are you an actual mountain runner or simply commenting on the sport? If you followed the sport the comparison of Walmsley and Grays times at SZ is very irrelevant. When Gray ran his time it was pouring rain and he led almost entire race before a fall. Ascended better than walmsley even with those conditions. Walmsley ran in perfect conditions and was only 3rd, far off the lead. It's important to give the full story imo. Both guys are legends and for sure keep the USA in the convo for the trail world!

And I gotta answer. I've placed 2nd to Joe a handful of times. I speak from racing experience. You ever lined up at US Championships? If you want to know each runner's unique skill set let me know. What Demoor has become is an altitude specialist and climber, much like Matt Carpenter. Don't undersell Walmsley. He's taken down all of Joe's CRs on big uphill mountain segments like Kendall Mtn. etc.

Charlatan wrote:

Crazy he says he spent $400 on gas last month. Dang. Lots of driving to the mountains, big carbon footprint. I was surprised he didn't translate he newfound wealth into a home in Buena Vista where he grew up (i.e., closer to mountains).

Has he ever explained how he gets shoes? If he's buying them, it's time we all get into vlogging. If they're given to him, he needs a disclaimer.