dullard wrote:
Fogrunr wrote:
Strong spirit Francine!
Quite some testicular fortitude.
Ballsy run
dullard wrote:
Fogrunr wrote:
Strong spirit Francine!
Quite some testicular fortitude.
Ballsy run
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middleD wrote:
What concerns me, as a female runner whose training/performance has always fluctuated based on my menstrual cycle, etc., is that these athletes are seemingly not experiencing these same training effects because they do not have a menstrual cycle, womb, ovaries...
Adjusting T levels is not a satisfactory leveling of the playing field here, and it still super sucks for women with "women things" to be competing against women without.
It's as if the IAAF does not understand internal female anatomy, or they just really don't care about women.
That's probably the most tangible point I've heard: women lose some blood every month.
Some woman suffer greatly for one week each month.
It's definitely an advantage not to suffer like that.
Amazing I haven't read anybody express it until now.
Likewise, it's a disadvantage in life to appear female and not being able to reproduce without medical intervention.
Of course women of all types experience that problem.
I think there is enough discrimination against people that do not match society's ideal.
Athletics just seems to be an extension of that.
Athletics seems to be discrimination on steroids.
It seems a way of expressing eugenics publicly.
That's the big picture I take away from it all: discrimination.
I understand the idea of fair competition.
But I also think that idea is used as a tool to manipulate discrimination.
The Olympic Games were not born in Africa.
They were created by Europeans.
And of course we know got the Romans and the Greeks had their ideals of beauty.
It's certainly was not based on African females.
But it should have included them if it was to be accurate.
Because there is beauty in every person.
signal hill wrote:
The only way this will be sorted is if the athletes refuse to race them. Apart from allowing women to inject testosterone up to their levels there is no way any woman can compete against intersex people. Women’s sport is going to die if this is allowed to continue.
Interesting you say that.
It reminds me of something I read today.
There was a bus full of people, all of them white except for one who was black.
The driver told the black person they needed to get off the bus.
But the black person refused.
So the driver instructed all the way people that he was going to drive the bus back to the station, so are they please all help him out and going back to the station with him to get the black person off the bus.
And the white people all complied.
dullard wrote:
Fogrunr wrote:
Strong spirit Francine!
Quite some testicular fortitude.
More fortitude then it takes to be an anonymous snipe on an anonymous message board.
Absolutely no fortitude in that.
Fogrunr wrote:
signal hill wrote:
The only way this will be sorted is if the athletes refuse to race them. Apart from allowing women to inject testosterone up to their levels there is no way any woman can compete against intersex people. Women’s sport is going to die if this is allowed to continue.
Interesting you say that.
It reminds me of something I read today.
There was a bus full of people, all of them white except for one who was black.
The driver told the black person they needed to get off the bus.
But the black person refused.
So the driver instructed all the way people that he was going to drive the bus back to the station, so are they please all help him out and going back to the station with him to get the black person off the bus.
And the white people all complied.
Most incoherent post in letsrun history.
middleD wrote:
What concerns me, as a female runner whose training/performance has always fluctuated based on my menstrual cycle, etc., is that these athletes are seemingly not experiencing these same training effects because they do not have a menstrual cycle, womb, ovaries...
Adjusting T levels is not a satisfactory leveling of the playing field here, and it still super sucks for women with "women things" to be competing against women without.
It's as if the IAAF does not understand internal female anatomy, or they just really don't care about women.
EXTREMELY well said. The IAAF doesn't understand the anatomy AND they don't care about women. They care more about appeasing the SJW's screeching loud enough to make your ears bleed.
It's even more than you mentioned. The DSD women will have bigger frames, stronger bones and more muscle. Add in the lack of menstrual cycles and the advantages they have over XX women are overwhelming.
Absolutely agree with both comments. It’s a joke that they are allowed to compete against women and people are debating whether Nike shoes gives an unfair advantage.
Gidey is not wearing the latest Nike spikes at both the Olympic and the 2 mile event.
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OozmaKappa wrote:
"But theyre not breaking the world record and neither did semenya so they clearly have no unfair advantage 🤡"
Can I just say I appreciate your constant clown references
I am a genetically XY athlete who ran world class women's times in the 400 and 800 in college. Those times weren't even good enough to get me into the conference finals in a good D3 conference. I would welcome seeing the genetically XY DSD athletes compete in the men's events just like I did.
middleD wrote:
What concerns me, as a female runner whose training/performance has always fluctuated based on my menstrual cycle, etc., is that these athletes are seemingly not experiencing these same training effects because they do not have a menstrual cycle, womb, ovaries...
Adjusting T levels is not a satisfactory leveling of the playing field here, and it still super sucks for women with "women things" to be competing against women without.
It's as if the IAAF does not understand internal female anatomy, or they just really don't care about women.
Yeah, this isn't really an issue. An entirely level playing field, even among only cis-gendered women, is impossible to create. And it isn't a desirable goal.
Ancient Marathoner wrote:
Clown show? Nothing so benign. The Semenya races were like watching officially sanctioned rape. Niyonsaba vs. Gidey isn't quite as repulsive, but still disgusting.
The above post as well as this one should be deleted. Please!
That was a lot more dominant than I realized. A YouTuber named Maurice James has posted full videos of all the Prefontaine races from Friday night. Niyonsaba didn't look winded at all and in fact it reminded me of how Semenya didn't appear to be fully giving her all.
That type of result would have caused a big stir in Tokyo. It's publicly more obscure here but imagine Sebastian Coe's new headaches at both end of the distance spectrum, given Mboma and Niyonsaba.
BTW, Niyonsaba may soon have some company. Margaret Wambui struggled with the decision to shift focus to sprints or distance races. She hasn't competed in more than two years. But recently she announced plans to seriously attempt the 5000. Wambui is the youngest of the three who were forced to give up the 800. She is only 26.
The ridiculous thing is that there should even be a debate about this. It's obvious to the naked eye.
There has never been a woman running 1:55 800m and 30:40 or what in the 10k, we explicitly KNOW they have T levels way beyond xx-women and at least for some cases we know about the precise medical condition, so there should not be any question that they cannot compete with women in any event. Full stop.
It's tough luck, but rather some slight injustice to a few than a huge injustice to 1000s of women. Clear rules would also stop what can be suspected that coaches are purposefully searching for DSD individuals.
im happy a naturally high testosterone runner beat an obvious doper like gidey
20yearsrunning wrote:
im happy a naturally high testosterone runner beat an obvious doper like gidey
just 11 hours til niyonsaba tries a 3000, smashes her country's NR and may win v some of the best 3k/5k athletes
Fogrunr wrote:
signal hill wrote:
The only way this will be sorted is if the athletes refuse to race them. Apart from allowing women to inject testosterone up to their levels there is no way any woman can compete against intersex people. Women’s sport is going to die if this is allowed to continue.
Interesting you say that.
It reminds me of something I read today.
There was a bus full of people, all of them white except for one who was black.
The driver told the black person they needed to get off the bus.
But the black person refused.
So the driver instructed all the way people that he was going to drive the bus back to the station, so are they please all help him out and going back to the station with him to get the black person off the bus.
And the white people all complied.
So you use an argument from the segregation era to make an entirely unrelated point. Very telling. You liken intersex athletes competing in women's sport with uppity blacks refusing to get off a whites-only bus in the old South. Ugh. Your argument just failed.
20yearsrunning wrote:
im happy a naturally high testosterone runner with testes beat an obvious doper like gidey
Fixed.