Emma Coburn OUT of Pre Classic

El Keniano wrote:

After her unforgivable mean girl nastiness towards Beatrice Chepkoech that laid bare what kind of person she really is, I feel no sympathy for her athletic struggles. She's getting everything she deserves (minus the mum on chemo of course, for which I wish her well). She's one of two runners universally loved on these boards that I can't stand.

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Les wrote:

More likely, since she acts as her own agent, they won't pay her what she wants. Pre is basically a Nike meet with very few exceptions. Frerichs is Nike and the silver medalist so they are likely lowballing Coburn, who's with New Balance.

I fear this is the correct answer.

Honest question: why isn't her name Emma Bosshard?

El Keniano wrote: She's one of two runners universally loved on these boards that I can't stand.

Who is the other?

Assuming the other much beloved LRC female runner is either Rosie Ruiz or Alexi Pappas, but I could be wrong.

rojo wrote:

El Keniano wrote: She's one of two runners universally loved on these boards that I can't stand.

Who is the other?

I'll give you a clue: Retired. Barely disguises his anti-Kenya bias (which is fine and his prerogative) but once made the utterly asinine suggestion that all elite Kenyan runners be removed from their families and home environments in the Rift Valley and be forced to train in ... London(!). It's unguarded remarks like this, supposedly made in good faith, disregarding an entire community's humanity, that betray a larger issue such as a person's innate prejudice, which we all know is harder to discern nowadays given bigots having to check themselves in public to avoid backlash in a PC world.

Taro wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

After her unforgivable mean girl nastiness towards Beatrice Chepkoech that laid bare what kind of person she really is, I feel no sympathy for her athletic struggles. She's getting everything she deserves (minus the mum on chemo of course, for which I wish her well). She's one of two runners universally loved on these boards that I can't stand.

Yes. Completely agree. And despite Coburn's unfounded suggestion that Beatrice is a doper, Beatrice continues to treat her very graciously whenever they race. Pretty striking difference in character.

IKR? Beatrice is always super nice to her on the circuit with no hint of grudge or frostiness on her part.

El Keniano wrote:

rojo wrote:

Who is the other?

I'll give you a clue: Retired. Barely disguises his anti-Kenya bias (which is fine and his prerogative) but once made the utterly asinine suggestion that all elite Kenyan runners be removed from their families and home environments in the Rift Valley and be forced to train in ... London(!). It's unguarded remarks like this, supposedly made in good faith, disregarding an entire community's humanity, that betray a larger issue such as a person's innate prejudice, which we all know is harder to discern nowadays given bigots having to check themselves in public to avoid backlash in a PC world.

Nick Symmonds?

Etjo. wrote:

Twisties?

+10

coburn's last two races have had falls

coburn also fell at the 2019 pre classic

https://youtu.be/JocpN98evSk?t=334

maybe third time out tomorrow wouldn't be a charm

alanson wrote:

Etjo. wrote:

Twisties?

+10

Effectively yes - not yet ready to return to an event that requires a lot of concentration and confidence. Maybe done for the year but will see what happens for Zurich. Plus her mom's illness is certainly a factor.

El Keniano, you're completely full of it on this topic, like quite a few others. Kenya gets drug busts every week on top athletes and expatriates in the Middle East. The steeple's by no means free of dopers. Chepkoech was so much better than any ever, even 7 seconds better than a now busted Kenyan expatriate for hire in the Middle East, and thus another 7 seconds better than the former Eastern European doping world record holder that Coburn was right to be suspicious. It's not as if an 8:15 runner shifted to the steeple. Just to refresh your memory:

"Kenya is in category 'A' of the World Anti-Doping Agency watchlist of countries considered to be the highest doping risk and its athletes must undergo rigorous testing to be eligible to compete at the Olympics and world championships.

Kenyan sports principal secretary Joe Okudo said the ministry had received an official report about the adverse analytical findings on the samples collected from the athlete on July 28, while he was in the Olympic Village.

"The Ministry is still waiting for the conclusion of an appeal filed by the athlete and underscores the Government's commitment in the fight against doping," Okudo said.

Doping has had a profound effect on Kenya's most successful sport with over 60 athletes suspended in the last five years for offences that include failures to declare their whereabouts to anti-doping testers.

Two runners who had failed to meet the requirements were left out of the Kenyan squad before their departure for Tokyo.

Among the top athletes to be sanctioned for doping offences are the 2016 Olympic women's marathon champion Jemima Sumgong, the 2008 men's 1500m gold medallist Asbel Kiprop and former three-time Boston marathon winner Rita Jeptoo."

Coburn didn't fall in the two heats of the trials or in the heats in the Olympics.

El Keniano wrote:

rojo wrote:

Who is the other?

I'll give you a clue: Retired. Barely disguises his anti-Kenya bias (which is fine and his prerogative) but once made the utterly asinine suggestion that all elite Kenyan runners be removed from their families and home environments in the Rift Valley and be forced to train in ... London(!). It's unguarded remarks like this, supposedly made in good faith, disregarding an entire community's humanity, that betray a larger issue such as a person's innate prejudice, which we all know is harder to discern nowadays given bigots having to check themselves in public to avoid backlash in a PC world.

See, I see her as one of the few runners whose achievements are consistently undermined on LRC. This week's podcast was typical: Rojo always insists that Coburn's world champs gold was a fluke or should come with an asterisk, same for Des's Boston win. Every time, he says they should come with an asterisk. But Centro's Olympic gold? Never a word said even though it owed every bit as much to luck as any of those other achievements - being able to run 3:50 and win in a men's elite final is jammy AF. That's actually not meant to be a knock on Centro, he took advantage of better runners making mistakes on the day, exactly like Coburn did. Let's just respect both their achievements and stop talk of asterisks

zxccxzv wrote:

Coburn didn't fall in the two heats of the trials or in the heats in the Olympics.

Finals. Trials and heats aren't finals. Invites are finals.

zxccxzv wrote:

Coburn didn't fall in the two heats of the trials or in the heats in the Olympics.

She fell in Monaco after the trials

El Keniano wrote:

Taro wrote:

Yes. Completely agree. And despite Coburn's unfounded suggestion that Beatrice is a doper, Beatrice continues to treat her very graciously whenever they race. Pretty striking difference in character.

IKR? Beatrice is always super nice to her on the circuit with no hint of grudge or frostiness on her part.

I will say Coburn (even if it's fake) has acted fairly gracious of BC hugging and smiling after races since making that comment. I do kinda wonder if it's cause BC hasn't been nearly as fast since her breakout year.

Honestly, I think BC just got in really good shape that year and couldn't keep form, it happens. Why would she only dope 1-2 years and stop. It's evident she's been struggling with injuries though. Regardless her steeple form had improved and judging by her 5k strength I don't think it outlandish to say she had 8:15-8:20 3k shape at one point, but when you're always running steeples on the DL circuit all the time you don't necessarily get to show that. BC would be a world class competitive 5k runner if she trained for it, Coburn maybe not. Courtney Frerichs fastest 3k is 8:47, but her 14:51 clearly shows she can go faster.

zxccxzv wrote:

El Keniano, you're completely full of it on this topic, like quite a few others. Kenya gets drug busts every week

When you start a post with an outright lie, you deserve no response. And if Burrito Girl wasn't enough to cast aspersions on every American runner, then no one gets to judge Beatrice.

LIRunerr wrote:

Les wrote:

More likely, since she acts as her own agent, they won't pay her what she wants. Pre is basically a Nike meet with very few exceptions. Frerichs is Nike and the silver medalist so they are likely lowballing Coburn, who's with New Balance.

I fear this is the correct answer.

Maybe it's a New Balance thing. McLaughlin isn't running. As Olympic champion and world record holder, not to mention a great rivalry with Muhammad, you'd think Pre would pay anything she wants.