Josh Kerr / Coach : " he's in 3:27 shape " !!

Another Friendly Reminder wrote:

Friendly Reminder wrote:

Those have always been the rules for Olympic Finals. Go back 50 years and you'll see that it has proven true at least 90% of the time that 1500 runners improve on their Olympic Finals times by at least two seconds in the month following The Games -- if they continue racing.

That's because every Olympic 1500 final in the last 50 years has been moderately paced... this one was not.

Kerr gradually speeded up through the race 57.3, 55.9, 55.2, 40.6 (54.1 pace). Possibly another 0.5-1 secs available to him with a slightly more aggressive start. Turn up fresh, in the right conditions and with the right pacemaking and 3:27.99 is not at all unreasonable.

confounder wrote:

That’s why he won Olympic Gold when Silver and Bronze were only in 3:28 shape.

Conditions being what they were, 3:29.05 is very indicative of being in 3:27 shape under better conditions.

Deanouk wrote:

Marvellous9 wrote:

He said it in the last " The Athlete Special " video on yt.

If he means in perfect race on a track like Tokyo or Monaco, then a 3:27 high is possible. BUT, can we seriously compare a 3:27 in these conditions today as equivalent to say a 3:27 run by Morceli in the early 90's? Of course not.

The super spikes worn now probably takes a second to 1.5 off a 1500m time, all other things being equal.

The trampoline tracks of Tokyo, Monaco, etc, probably give 1.5 to 2 secs advantage - the designer of the Mondo Tokyo track says between 1 and 2%, all other things being equal.

With these in mind, a 3:27 today is more like a 3:30.

Kerr is a great athlete, and should break Farah's UK record using current technology, but I don't see him as having the potential to run an 'old skool' 3:27.

There is no data to support any of this nonsense. Just hearsay and message board rumors that get perpetuated lol.

He did quite well in that there olympics tho.

Kerr needs to run an 800m, drop a 1:42 high

And more importantly, who tf cares? Who the hell cares about an "old skool 3:27". The future is now, old man. People dont run exclusively on slow tracks or clunkyass shoes. I dont care how much slower athletes today would run if they had crappy nutrition, training, equipment, and facilities. 😂

3:27 shape means just that. His training fitness has indicated that he's in 3:27 shape. Training gets you faster, not racing.

Remember when Kerr closed his NCAA 1500m in 1:51.6 off of a 1:51.26 lifetime best at 800m? Clearly he was in better "shape" than 1:51 for 800m.

A few sentences past the 3:27 statement, his coach indicates in a one-off race in a Monaco-type of situation, he could drop those 1.1 seconds.

We all know that Michael Johnson injured his right hamstring following his 200m WR. Once he got back into peak form, he mentioned ahead of the Ivo Van Damme meeting: "I'm in good shape now. I am looking forward to a good race." Coming off an injury, he couldn't have known what shape he was in unless practice indicated he was 'ready' for certain types of splits to run a good 400m.

Kerr has absolutely displayed amazing form, especially on the back of that negative split 800m in practice. That led to a 3:29 following rounds in a high-impact race. In a one-off DL, he just might be able to shave some time off, because he's practiced a pace he believes he can handle, and that appears to be 3:27. As long as he believes it, that's all that really matters at the end of the day.

NBC 3 wrote:

How can the new tech be worth 3.5 secs shouldn't cheruiyot be running 3:25 or atleast 3:27 if the tech is worth even one sec. Jakob improved less than 2 secs despite being a teenager in 2019.

They had the super spikes in 2019, and the tracks have been getting faster for last 20 years or so. The Monaco track has been producing faster times over middle distances for some time now. It's almost impossible to keep track with technological advances in both tracks and shoes.

feckinfeckinfeckin wrote:

Another Friendly Reminder wrote:

That's because every Olympic 1500 final in the last 50 years has been moderately paced... this one was not.

Kerr gradually speeded up through the race 57.3, 55.9, 55.2, 40.6 (54.1 pace). Possibly another 0.5-1 secs available to him with a slightly more aggressive start. Turn up fresh, in the right conditions and with the right pacemaking and 3:27.99 is not at all unreasonable.

Yes, I agree, but on the Tokyo track (1% - 2% faster than previous best mondo) with current shoes.

If we take the most conservative estimate of 1% improvement from the Mondo designer/team, that equates to 3:30.0 on other Mondo tracks (which are themselves faster than say the tracks Morceli run 3:27 on ). Then adjust for new super spikes that have been available for last 3 seasons, and you probably end up with a 3:31.

A 3:27 now is not equivalent to a 3:27 when the barrier was first reached (albeit, likely enhanced by EPO).

Not true. The evidence that shoes and tracks are faster is unequivacol.

'Andrea Vallauri, track designer for Mondo, said the new surface made a far greater difference than most realised. “Every time there is an Olympic Games we try to improve the formulation of the material and Tokyo has been no different,” he said. “The track is very thin, 14mm. But we have added a new element: these rubber granules.

“In the lower layer of the track is this hexagonal design that creates these small pockets of air. They not only provide shock absorption but give some energy return; at the same time a trampoline effect. We have improved this combination and this is why we are seeing the track has improved performance.

“In Rio the track was called WS. This new one is called WSTY, for Tokyo. It’s the latest evolution of the track.”

“It is completely within the rules but it is also what we were asked to provide; two components,” Vallauri said. “To protect the health of the athletes, to avoid trauma, but it should also give them a push. In lab testing we can see the improvement. It is difficult to say exactly but maybe a 1-2% advantage.'

From The Telegraph.

So the guy who sells this track surface is telling media it's good? , i wonder how Steven Gardiner feels about winning olympic gold in a time that's really close to 45 on a different track

erico12343 wrote:

So the guy who sells this track surface is telling media it's good? , i wonder how Steven Gardiner feels about winning olympic gold in a time that's really close to 45 on a different track

Completely unheard that companies praise their own products. For our Coe worshipper it's like god herself has made the statement.