From GOLD to 14th - has any Olympic 1500 winner placed lower than Centro in a follow-up games?

Finished 4th in '12, won in '16. How long do you expect him to remain among the best of the best? This isn't a math test, it's running. Sports are dominated by the young.

the truth hurts, eh wrote:

myrskyla wrote:

I truly don’t understand Americans. You seem gleeful that your OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALIST has failed. In my country, they are heroes.

Many are not patriotic people. Read this board to see how some of their country's greatest athletes are ridiculed and degraded. It's part of the individualistic, dog-eat-dog, every person for themself mindset. that so many seem to think is necessary to be successful in life.

This.

This site is filled w/ fake patriots who wave the flag but hate America.

Vancomycin wrote:

Centro is top 5-10 1500m runner EVER

Not even close. Top 5 1500m runner in the USA - sure! Lagat, Webb, Maree, Ryun, Scott - just to name a few Americans.

Sopa de SabadelI wrote:

Vancomycin wrote:

Centro is top 5-10 1500m runner EVER

Not even close. Top 5 1500m runner in the USA - sure! Lagat, Webb, Maree, Ryun, Scott - just to name a few Americans.

Webb????

Armstronglivs wrote:

To the Centrowitz fans, for the defending champion to fail to make the final is still somehow a win.

Right??

Now they are talking about winning "World" Indoors in 2016, the biggest joke to ever masquerade as a "global" event.

Won't be remembered outside the US in 10 years.

Matt Centrowitz = Fermin Cacho, except much slower (3:33 in 2021 vs 3:28 in 1997 lolololol) and with less Olympic medals (2 to 1)

Flagpole wrote:

He is one of the best racers the US has ever had. Yes, he does better off a slower pace, but the goal is to win the race and secondarily to medal, and he has done that multiple times.

Make enough US teams against scrub fields and an OK international miler with a kick will eventually get in a joke final like Portland 2016 (3:44 lololol) or Rio 2016 (3:50 lololololololol) and pick up a trashcan W.

Those are literally his only major internationally wins. EVER. He has only placed top 3 in a Diamond League race ONCE.

Most U.S. runners don't remember Fermin Cacho, and very soon likewise nobody outside of the U.S. will remember Centrowitz.

OH for sure Centro is a never-was!

(Only with 4 global medals, including two gold.)

You're a clown.

Why are you down playing Centro's 2016 gold medal?

The Olympics is a THREE round RACE - meaning who ever crosses the line first wins.

Time is not important, literally the order of how you cross the finish line in the prelims is what determines if you advance, time only matters for the "q".

The way Centro DOMINATED the field in a race with. a gold medal at stake is insane.

He took the front end-to-end in a slow race, holding off straight up glory hungry, victory thirsty, single minded, highly motivated milers, all of them within minutes of achieving their life long goal. Centro was challenged several times, every one backed off and accepted his racing terms

That is no small feat

Like Seb Coe told him, "welcome to the club". His name etched forever in the history books and will be remembered for generations as an OLYMPIC GOLD MEDALIST and you will not.

has-been, or never-was? wrote:

Literally HE JUST RACED the top 48 in the world and came 14th!!!!

For what it's worth, 14th by order of qualifying heats, but 10th by order of time. It should surprise no one that Centrowitz is vulnerable off a fast pace just as he probably was in 2016 if he had failed to drive the tactics of the final.

Lowlz wrote:

Like Seb Coe told him, "welcome to the club".

One difference:

Seb Coe is remembered as a great runner years after his career. Fermin Cacho, not so much. Now will Centro.

And Cacho did FAR more than Centro. Olympic gold, then a silver, plus two WC medals and a 3:28. Objectively much better than than Centro achieved. (And yes I am using the past tense because HE IS DONE.)

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

For what it's worth, 14th by order of qualifying heats, but 10th by order of time. It should surprise no one that Centrowitz is vulnerable off a fast pace just as he probably was in 2016 if he had failed to drive the tactics of the final.

Do you understand how rounds work?

EVERY finalist is ranked higher than a runner who didn't make the finals. 12th in the final is 12th in the Olympics. 2nd- fastest loser (non-finalist) is 14th.

koyPond wrote:

I get math and numbers are hard, but he didn’t finish 14th. You might want to look again.

See above for an explanation of who Olympic rankings work.

He was the second-fastest loser who didn't make the 12-person final.

Can you count to 12? Can you add 2 to that? Good boy!

Sopa de SabadelI wrote:

Vancomycin wrote:

Centro is top 5-10 1500m runner EVER

Not even close. Top 5 1500m runner in the USA - sure! Lagat, Webb, Maree, Ryun, Scott - just to name a few Americans.

Wow, making a list of more accomplished milers is so easy.

This discussion is just dumb. So you are saying if Centro had decided to retire instead of competing this year he would be like Elliott, Snell, El G, and all of those guys who retired after gold and that would have made his gold more legit?

has-been, or never-was? wrote:

Sopa de SabadelI wrote:

Not even close. Top 5 1500m runner in the USA - sure! Lagat, Webb, Maree, Ryun, Scott - just to name a few Americans.

Wow, making a list of more accomplished milers is so easy.

To even put Webb and Maree on the same page and Centro is hilarious.

The same people who are wondering what happened to the US men this Olympics are trashing Centro.

Winning medals matters. Anyone who knows middle distance running can name the last 8-10 Olympic champions at 800 and 1500. Centro did all that and more.

To compare him to runners that could never win kn the world stage shows a desperation that makes me laugh.

Fermin is remembered. Ask about him to any Spanish runner, including Katir.

Centro will be remembered as well, in part thanks to people like you.

...and that "slow" 2016 Rio race has been watched over a million times. Future champions will study and use that race as motivation and reference.

Bow down kid

Lowlz wrote:

Fermin is remembered. Ask about him to any Spanish runner, including Katir.

You are proving my point. Remembered only domestically, and a bit sad that it's the best the country can look to. That's Centro in 2030.

Lowlz wrote:

...and that "slow" 2016 Rio race has been watched over a million times. Future champions will study and use that race as motivation and reference.

Hahaha YOU ARE TOTALLY PLAYING YOURSELF. Do you realize that??

The Rio 100 has been watched 15 MILLION TIMES.

The Rio 400 has been watched 10 MILLION TIMES.

The London 800 has been watched 10 MILLION TIMES.

Those are the view counts for REAL PERFORMANCES.

Centro's 1500 win has been watched far less than half as much as the women's 1500 in Rio (2.8 MILLION VIEWS).

Centro's Rio 1500 has BARELY BEEN WATCHED relative to these events.

Centro's weak win actually has the worst viewing stats of any comparable event! Thanks for bringing that up. (Hopefully the low interest continues so that "future champions" don't "study" and produce embarrassing booed races.)

Some of you are getting really triggered that Centro's legacy will be...weak.

Let's take a moment to be positive and watch study a real performance from Rio, for "motivation and reference".

This has 3 times as many views as Cento's 2016 win, possibly because it was a quality performance by one of the world's best:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG91krXuxyw&t=6s

(The winner came back for another Olympic gold today, by the way. Now that's a real legacy.)

Sorry, there are just so many Rio races more viewed that the men's 1500, I pasted the men's 400 by accident. Here is the other one of the more-viewed races that I wanted to post:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOAeTfI-Tlc

But hey, I think the Rio M1500 may have more views than the hammer throw!