Niyonsaba DQ'd from 5000m heat - Does anyone have a video of her so-called infraction?

Oh, I'm one of those idiots who NBC tricked into signing up for Peacock because I thought it was actually going to let me watch the complete Olympics. Shame on me. I didn't plan on watching the heats live (too early), so now can only watch the highlight clip. I watched it a few hours ago ... maybe I should take another look and see if they've added anything since then, because when I watched, the DQ wasn't mentioned at all.

I watched the men's 10k live this morning, and agree the coverage of that seemed pretty decent.

As I mentioned earlier, I do think Niyonsaba belongs in an Open division, not Women's. The rules that apply to the 400m-1500m should apply to all events.

But these are IOC's rules, and Niyonsaba has played by them. What an awful thing if they are just going to get her for a technical line infraction, because they're too scared to address the situation otherwise. That would be BS.

fact check* wrote:

BTW, being a (XY) man born without an external penis doesn't make you a woman in any way, shape or form. Just a regular guy without a dick.

That's cute but I'm pretty sure she would have a better idea how to identify herself than you.

There are a lot of breaks for the triple jump and shot put but I rewatched the race and Niyonsaba closely (easy to follow due to her hair) and the only thing I saw that MAY have been when she stepped over the line occurred at 10:27 of the race just after she passes the start/finish line. It is impossible to tell for sure if she stepped on the rail but she definitely stumbled and was on the inside of lane 1.

https://stream.nbcolympics.com/track-and-field-session-3-integrated-feed

This is about the 48:04 point of the video (10:27 race time)

Watched from about 9:45 into the race until the finish and really didn't see anything out of Niyonsaba that would indicate she went off the track. Right before McColgan started to really struggle, it appeared as if Rachel Schneider cut across in front of her (McColgan), but nothing from Niyonsaba. Would be curious to see what and where the infraction occurred.

Thanks! That was helpful...don't know why I couldn't find it earlier. But as you note, doesn't really make it possible to tell anything.

Unfortunate wrote:

Thanks! That was helpful...don't know why I couldn't find it earlier. But as you note, doesn't really make it possible to tell anything.

Yeah its dumb but the way to watch the good feed is live through the NBC Sports app, or on replay through the same app. I have no idea why it's not on Peacock.

alpha wrote:

That's cute but I'm pretty sure she would have a better idea how to identify herself than you.

I can identify as a giraffe, doesn't make it real. He/she/it can ID in a similar fashion. Just don't try to bring reality into the mix.[/quote]

Sorry bud, but these are the rules. Facts don't care about your feelings.

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I was extremely frustrated that the announcers chose to focus on both Niyonsaba and McColgan significantly during the race, then when McColgan seemed to get spiked and immediately fall off qualifying position they failed to note it (in fact at one point the camera went back to her and they incorrectly said she was "safely in qualifying position") and then they showed the results and said "well, there's your top 5" and NO mention of the DQ!

This is always a chance to grow the sport, even by a tiny margin. Please, please give us someone with a Gus Johnson level of passion for the sport that actually will convey that energy to the audience.

My wife will allow me to watch 50 hours of Tour de France every summer because Phil and Bob are tremendous narrators of the event (RIP Paul).

What platform were you watching on? On the stream McColgan apparently getting spiked or having some physical issue and dropping back was definitely discussed as it happened.

Hmm, is it possible they actually had two sets of commentators? I watched the whole thing, including for about 30min before and after the race, and there was no discussion.

I have Comcast and get Peacock included; it shows up as a "channel" as opposed to a traditional app.

rojo wrote:

Anyway, what happened? We had to break the news to her in the m ixed zone and she was devastated. Had to leave the interview. She had no idea of anythign she might have done. The rule is for going over the rail.

Serious question , how did you get a media pass? Do they require CV, some examples of journalism etc?

fact check* wrote:

To avoid political drama seems reasonable enough. Had she placed as a medalist it would have been a public scandal just like Semenya.

Until we have a separate intersex division, we'll continue to have these issues.

BTW, being a (XY) man born without an external penis doesn't make you a woman in any way, shape or form. Just a regular guy without a dick.

Niyonsaba would not have got a medal in final, no way.

Ya dumb wrote:

Hmm, is it possible they actually had two sets of commentators? I watched the whole thing, including for about 30min before and after the race, and there was no discussion.

I have Comcast and get Peacock included; it shows up as a "channel" as opposed to a traditional app.

Yes. I watched on desktop and heard one pair of commentators, then switched to the NBC Sports app via AppleTV and heard a different set of commentators. The second feed was about a minute behind the first with different talking heads.

I predict that she'll be reinstated and advanced.

gobluesasquatch wrote:

Watched from about 9:45 into the race until the finish and really didn't see anything out of Niyonsaba that would indicate she went off the track. Right before McColgan started to really struggle, it appeared as if Rachel Schneider cut across in front of her (McColgan), but nothing from Niyonsaba. Would be curious to see what and where the infraction occurred.

I watched the replay quite a few times. It looked like McColgan's issue started a second or so before the contact with Schneider - judging by Elish's grimace. I think the contact with Schneider only occurred because McColgan was starting to decelerate.

I think Niyonsaba should be reinstated. Bizarre decision by the judges.

We've seen many threads on DQs for stepping on/over the rail - it seems to go either way.

Jakob Ingebrigsten was DQ'd earlier this year (European Indoor Champs 1500) for the same reason - and reinstated on appeal.

It should not be a DQ if you were forced out - unless you gained material advantage by failing to promptly return in bounds.

RULE 163

Lane Infringement

3. (a) In all races run in lanes, each athlete shall keep within his allocated lane from start to finish. This shall also apply to any portion of a race run in lanes.

(b) In all races (or any part of races) not run in lanes, an athlete running on a bend, on the outer half of the track as per Rule 163.5(b), or on any curved part of the diversion from the track for the steeplechase water jump, shall not step or run on or inside the kerb or line marking the applicable border (the inside of the track, the outer half of the track, or any curved part of the diversion from the track for the steeplechase water jump).

Except as stated in Rule 163.4, if the Referee is satisfied, on the report of a Judge or Umpire or otherwise, that an athlete has infringed this Rule, he shall be disqualified.

4. An athlete shall not be disqualified if he

(a) is pushed or forced by another person to step or run outside his lane or on or inside the kerb or line marking the applicable border, or

(b) steps or runs outside his lane in the straight, any straight part of the diversion from the track for the steeplechase water jump or outside the outer line of his lane on the bend, with no material advantage thereby being gained and no other athlete being jostled or obstructed so as to impede his progress. If material advantage is gained, the athlete shall be disqualified.

Note: Material advantage includes improving his position by any means, including removing himself from a “boxed” position in the race by having stepped or run inside the inside edge of the track.

This Note specifically outlaws the practice of an athlete seeking to improve his position in races by moving onto the inside of the track (whether intentionally or after being pushed or jostled there by another athlete) to get out of a boxed position by running on the inside until clear.

Whilst normally running on the inside of lane 1 in the straight (as distinct from doing so on the bend) would not lead to mandatory disqualification, the Referee now has the power to disqualify in his discretion if this occurs and the athlete is advantaged even if the initial reason for being there was the result of being pushed or jostled. In such cases the athlete should take immediate steps to return to the track without seeking or gaining any advantage.