Can’t count on Engels S**tty tactics again. Centro, hocker, nuguse.
Can’t count on Engels S**tty tactics again. Centro, hocker, nuguse.
Mistake turning Pro. Should have gone to College. Not everyone is Galen Rupp
Shannon Sullivan wrote:
Mistake turning Pro. Should have gone to College. Not everyone is Galen Rupp
I disagree. He still ran 3:34. His performance today doesn’t change that.
His last Michigan workout they did he couldn't hit the targets set for him. I knew then that he was cooked. That other HS kid from GA in the 200m was totally fried. There were several collegians that fell apart but had done well at NCAAs.
You can't have an outdoor season in Spring and then trials and then August meets. Guarantee the Oregon boys will be fried in Tokyo if they make it. No way in hell can someone hold peak form that long.
Didn't they quote Hocker as saying that he's been pointing to the trials all along? If so, perhaps he somewhat trained through NCAA track and is just that good. Agree that it's really tough to hold peak for that long, though.
Some training systems don't go for a targeted peak, but more like a perpetual peak. I will admit that this is foreign to me, but in Livingstone's book he talks about (I think) DeCastella training like that. Lots of multipace weeks, but not much emphasis on one thing over another and apparently enough of a mix to somehow recover.
Watched the video of reverse Michigan from June 10th. He looked tired from 1st effort. Been a big spring for the runner. Physically and mentally.
Aisle53 wrote:
Hobbs started at the back. He never thought he was going to qualify there. He was exhausted.
Agreed. That wasn't failed tactics. It was a tired kid, probably more mentally than physically, who had nothing left in the tank.
It happens to those on their way up. Learn and move forward.
tips4youtube wrote:
His last Michigan workout they did he couldn't hit the targets set for him. I knew then that he was cooked.
coahc wrote:
Watched the video of reverse Michigan from June 10th. He looked tired from 1st effort. Been a big spring for the runner. Physically and mentally.
Yup, he's tired, time for a break. Nothing to do with tactics today. I became more optimistic after the first round, but tired is tired.
He simply got fatigued. He's only been running for 4 years, he just doesn't have the strength yet for so many tough races. Although he didn't run super fast times at his state meet, he did run fast final 400's in the 8 and 1600. 52 and 55. And this was after running 1:47.8 in the relay! Also closed in 25.6 for a 8:54 in the 3200. Then ran 3:34!! He'll be back next year with a much higher fitness level and fewer real hard efforts. He will be a factor in the finals to make the team for worlds.
I'm fine
Full agreement.
They should break the contract now.
Get 1 or 2 years in college and then go pro when he runs 3.30.
Not joking!
So was this his 4th gear that we saw today?
JohnR wrote:
Aisle53 wrote:
Hobbs started at the back. He never thought he was going to qualify there. He was exhausted.
Agreed. That wasn't failed tactics. It was a tired kid, probably more mentally than physically, who had nothing left in the tank.
It happens to those on their way up. Learn and move forward.
Yeap. Still has work to do but that was expected. Great that Hobbs got to experience professional level competition during the Olympic trials and show that he belonged there.
Aisle53 wrote:
Hobbs started at the back. He never thought he was going to qualify there. He was exhausted.
Yes this is much more accurate than the people saying he had poor tactics. If you're a great kicker you don't mind running towards the back in the early part of the race. For him he just kept getting more distanced down the last 200 M which is not tactics. That's tired and not having it today. It's not tactics if you were never in the race. He was 10 seconds slower than his personal best. He has good reason to be exhausted.
How are you guys watching these events?
I'm always in favor of college first, but in his case he's faster than any high schooler r ever, and he's faster than all of the college kids already! So what's he really going to learn? Icing on the cake is he already has a professional coach that is clearly good for him, supportive and effective. There's also the element of strike while the iron's hot. Maybe he doesn't have the same body in four or five years. Or maybe he's nursing an injury. He's young, have some fun make some money can still go to college.
I'm watching it on NBC Sports Network.
He should've ran as hard as possible to ensure qualification. It's literally the best tactic in the book, and all the elites think they're "too cool" to try it. Shamrocks.
Kid will be fine. A lot of pressure on him right now and it's the end of a long season that's been likely more emotionally taxing than physically taxing. Nobody can imagine, except the likes of a Webb or Hunter, what it feels like to have all eyes on you and have expectations so high. Making the semis was a great achievement, lot of pros and college kids with more experience would happily take that outcome right now.
He'll be a factor in finals for the next decade. I'm not putting him as a world beater like Centro just yet but I think his career will have some significant highs.
he's a kid.
He didn't actually win his fastest races. That is a lesson right there.
He has along way to go an a longish time to get there.
He'll be fine