Nico Young 13:24

ConsistencyIsKing wrote:

Anyone notice that Sam Parsons and Jordan Gusman are listed running under Adidas while Reed Fisher is listed under adidas/Tinman Elite.

Goes to show who the snakes are in that group...

This isn’t surprising to anybody who’s been paying attention.

For whatever reason, America has had very bad luck with our distance running prodigies. Most seem to get injured soon after high school or fizzle out and never go on to win a medal, with obvious exceptions (I.e. Rupp. Compare that with lots of Africa's runners who are world beaters at a young age and continue to develop into great pro runners. I think that's what makes a lot people on this board hesitant to get their hopes up with young distance running prodigies. Hocker, on the other hand, was a stud in high school but not a world beater until he broke out this year.

Your underlying assumption is that everyone responds to the super shoes, and everyone doesn't. So, you don't actually know.

he put addidas stripes on it, is that illegal?

Yes, they normally put Adidas stripes on Adidas.

running2begood wrote:

he put addidas stripes on it, is that illegal?

It's been happening for years in the NCAA, mostly athletes "re-branding" their nike shoes. But I've seen other brands being "re-branded"

There were numerous guys in that 5000m heat who ran a lot slower than their pr's.

king999 wrote:

Actually he did improve.

German was a freak show early on. 3:55.0 Indoors, 7:47 and 13:25 as an 18 year old frosh.

Very marginally, but he did run 13:24.x at 22 , and 3:34 for 1500M.

Give him what?? With the shoe on, multiple times? He ran 13:24 and 13;25? So, what? 13:19? LOL

Hey, I was never the big improvement from the shoes, guy,

But after talking to one Elite and two different high level Elite coaches who have guys that have worn them and are experienced World Class types, they say up to 8-10 secs for a 10K, so cut it in half for a 5K?Kind of makes sense if you look at the deluge of so many wild PRs this year.

So, basically Young has another track season after this one to be eligible for the AJR? He could establish an amazing mark. I could see him running a second per lap faster next year.

But anyone pretending that the racing shoes aren’t faster and the training shoes don’t allow harder training is just a fool. Times are dropping across the board, and largely unknown runners are running ridiculous times. I wish we could put the genie back in the bottle, but we can’t, so we almost should have a new era of records. Where would the cutoff be? Pre-2018 be post-2018?

That's a photoshopped image

No, this is the last season is eligible for junior records. One cannot turn 20 during the calendar year.

I agre with this 100% wrote:

peppa wrote:

Current runner in the shoes, I know plenty of people who run the same times they did the year before in them, some PR after a good training block where a their workouts were faster and stronger but it must be the shoes

You severely overestimate them, they allow you to not be as beat up mid race and after training but it’s not worth like 10 sec

There were plenty of people in the race wearing 'the new shoes' who didn't even come close to their personal bests before the shoes. The shoes don't make you a ton faster, a couple seconds in a 5k at best. The big difference is they don't cause injury as much, so these runners won't be hobbling around today after running a fast race in crappy spikes

You need to listen to Ben Trues podcast on letsrun and a podcast with Mason Ferlic...yes they help and more than 3 seconds. But as True says “they allow you to train harder and recover faster”. That is basically what he said. These runners are very good and train very hard but let’s just see how times progress the next couple years

That wasn't the question. Nobody runs a PR in every race. The point is that there are not plenty of guys who are slower in the new shoes. Times have dropped to insane levels this year. 95% of the top runners have improved with the new shoes.

You are 100% right!. I know Ron Warhurst really well who coaches Mason, and Also some second hand from someone who coached a 27;20's 10K runner who said absolutely 100% the shoes make a difference due to ease on legs while racing and ability to recover as well.

As far as how many guys are running out of their minds PRs, it is almost inarguable. And I am a guy who thinks guys should be running faster than old time legends by 2021.

michiganrunner55 wrote:

This is not a knock on Nico Young’s incredible 13:24 for 5000m but Ritz ran 13:27 in his freshman track season in 2002, both incredible as well as German Fernandez 13:25

This is not a knock on Nico’s incredible 13:24, but in 2003 an 18 yr old Kipchoge ran 12:52 to beat Bekele and El G and win the world championship. He closed in 53. Let’s everybody just relax and hope Nico continues to improve.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

I checked his splits and his time for 3200 matched his Arcadia win which is an impressive improvement.

Young actually crossed 3200m yesterday in 8:39.13, ahead of his 8:40.00 Arcadia win. Impressive was the 8:37.62 he ran from 1600m to 4800m.

cherry.picker wrote:

No, this is the last season is eligible for junior records. One cannot turn 20 during the calendar year.

That under 20 during the calendar year is such a stupid rule. Not fair to those with birthdays late in the year

Not fair in baseball or soccer or swimming either. I guess high school wasn't fair for Nico Young because he was 17 while many of his competitors turned 18 in the fall.

Fer sure wrote:

Your underlying assumption is that everyone responds to the super shoes, and everyone doesn't. So, you don't actually know.

I am not saying anything. I listen to the pros. Listen to Ben True, listen to Mason Ferlic, and 2 time Olympic medalist Nick Willis. They all say the shoes help. By and large they help most elite runners with training better which leads to better results

Wise Old Man wrote:

michiganrunner55 wrote:

This is not a knock on Nico Young’s incredible 13:24 for 5000m but Ritz ran 13:27 in his freshman track season in 2002, both incredible as well as German Fernandez 13:25

This is not a knock on Nico’s incredible 13:24, but in 2003 an 18 yr old Kipchoge ran 12:52 to beat Bekele and El G and win the world championship. He closed in 53. Let’s everybody just relax and hope Nico continues to improve.

And your point is? Obviously Kipchoge was much faster than Ritz back then but what I am saying is Nico and Ritz are running comparably at the same age. Not knocking Nico at all he is very good and I hope he continues to improve which I believe he will