Connor Mantz Ran 14:24 Indoors SEVEN Years Ago

ANYONE can go on a mission trip and retain eligibility.

Basically no one want to spend 2 year of their teens/college years on a mission - even if it means being a better runner.

2600 bro wrote:

ANYONE can go on a mission trip and retain eligibility.

Basically no one want to spend 2 year of their teens/college years on a mission - even if it means being a better runner.

And of course it doesn’t mean being a better runner. It means being a better college runner, which likely is the same thing as what you said but not necessarily.

mahmmod wrote:

Name 1 BYU guy who has won NCAA BEFORE their mission = see, you can't.

Paul Cummings

Kerron wrote:

Kieran Tuntivate is younger than Conner Mantz, although they are both currently 24. Could KT have won today? Probably he wins easily...

Strange argument because Kieran was at college last year and only came 28th compared to Mantz's 3rd. The only difference between the two of them over the past year and a bit is that one of them has been at college, the other has been a professional runner pumping himself full of EPO.

There’s this high school mentality towards college that I don’t get. There really shouldn’t be any age limit at the collegiate level. A 30,40,50 year should be able to compete, so what. Many think college Athletics is an extension of little league baseball. It’s not it’s the real world.

I think the age thing is pretty much limited to former D3 runners who are traditional college students who run from 18-22. Does anyone think it bothers Nico Young that he is 18 and some of his competitors are 24? Maybe the Olympics should have age groups.

age limit wrote:

Born 12/8/1996

A 24 year old wins NCAAs. Nico Young, 18, finishes 4th.

You tell me who has the bigger upside.

Two Stanford freshmen were only 23 seconds behind Nico, from all the fan boys out there I hear that Nico was apparently pretty good in high school and was probably already a lot faster than these two guys a year ago. Did either of these two Stanford freshmen start to close the gap on him, only a few seconds per mile slower yesterday? Will one of the two improve a lot and shut Nico out of ever winning a title?

People constantly refer to mission trips as “taking two years off of running” or “not running for two years”.

Its March wrote:

There’s this high school mentality towards college that I don’t get. There really shouldn’t be any age limit at the collegiate level. A 30,40,50 year should be able to compete, so what. Many think college Athletics is an extension of little league baseball. It’s not it’s the real world.

NCAA for Americans is basically like the European U23 championships.... So yeah, it does kind of matter. There's a little asterisk for people older than 23. I was 21 when I ran my last NCAA championship race, when I was 24 I was running times that would make me an NCAA contender, yet I was pretty irrelevant while in college not being a frontrunner.

age limit wrote:

He was given 30 minutes a day to train and there's no evidence to suggest he wasn't banging out 5 or 6 mile tempos in Ghana for all we know.

Hahahaha this is one of the dumbest things I've read on this site, and that's really saying something.

Seriously just stop wrote:

I doubt most, if any, universities would hold a scholarship for an athlete to go into the Peace Corps for 2 years. I doubt BYU would for anything other than a Mormon mission.

You're probably right. It's likely because those coaches know the odds of their athletes regaining form is slim and they'd be stupid to gamble on it.

holterskolter2 wrote:

Meanwhile the peace core actually makes people work huge numbers of hours, gives them no support, and usually sends them somewhere too unsafe to run.

Hahahahahahaha sounds like a Mormon mission.

Two Stanford Freshmen wrote:

age limit wrote:

Born 12/8/1996

A 24 year old wins NCAAs. Nico Young, 18, finishes 4th.

You tell me who has the bigger upside.

Two Stanford freshmen were only 23 seconds behind Nico, from all the fan boys out there I hear that Nico was apparently pretty good in high school and was probably already a lot faster than these two guys a year ago. Did either of these two Stanford freshmen start to close the gap on him, only a few seconds per mile slower yesterday? Will one of the two improve a lot and shut Nico out of ever winning a title?

You realize both of those guys were studs in highschool just like Nico. He wasn't drastically faster than them a year ago. Cole sprout ran 8:40 as a junior less than a second behind Nico, and Charles hicks was a sub 8:50 guy as well.

nau smartypants wrote:

Not circumventing and not a loophole. The rules are very clear.

True- you can disagree with the eligibility rules, but when they are being followed as written, and as intended, there is no "loophole".

I’m being anal about this, but I haven’t heard anyone say they didn’t run a step for two years. “Taking two years off running” seems like a fair statement to me though considering they go from maybe 60-80 mpw on a college team to maybe getting a handful of 2-3 mile jogs in over the space of two years. I’ll allow the use of the term “taking two years off running” there.

Perhaps he had a bad race 7 years ago?

Perhaps 7 years ago he had some very fast races?

Pulling one race time to fit a native is weak

Two Stanford Freshmen wrote:

age limit wrote:

Born 12/8/1996

A 24 year old wins NCAAs. Nico Young, 18, finishes 4th.

You tell me who has the bigger upside.

Two Stanford freshmen were only 23 seconds behind Nico, from all the fan boys out there I hear that Nico was apparently pretty good in high school and was probably already a lot faster than these two guys a year ago. Did either of these two Stanford freshmen start to close the gap on him, only a few seconds per mile slower yesterday? Will one of the two improve a lot and shut Nico out of ever winning a title?

Charles Hicks is a redshirt freshman and was not in the same year as Nico. He was a stud in high school though, all Stanford recruits are.

Cole Sprout was better than Nico all the way up to the end of the track season his junior year. They both ran an 8:40 3200 as juniors, with Nico barely edging Cole after Cole led the entire race. You can make the argument that Nico wasn’t obviously better than Cole until their senior year of XC.

GuestUser2017 wrote:

under a bridge wrote:

People constantly refer to mission trips as “taking two years off of running” or “not running for two years”.

I’m being anal about this, but I haven’t heard anyone say they didn’t run a step for two years. “Taking two years off running” seems like a fair statement to me though considering they go from maybe 60-80 mpw on a college team to maybe getting a handful of 2-3 mile jogs in over the space of two years. I’ll allow the use of the term “taking two years off running” there.

A poster on the first page said "The guy didn't run for 2 years... if any of you trolls think the byu guys are actually benefitting from taking two years off from running..."

If you're going to be anal you should take issue with that blatant falsehood. Mantz ran 8:18 at altitude and then 8:02 in his first two races back. Miss me with the BS about not running for two years.