tuccone wrote:
Yikes. I’ve actually been a believer that BTC was a bunch of dopers for a few years, well before I got onto Letsrun.
There's no chance Schumacher would tolerate any doping.
tuccone wrote:
Yikes. I’ve actually been a believer that BTC was a bunch of dopers for a few years, well before I got onto Letsrun.
There's no chance Schumacher would tolerate any doping.
Trackfan55 wrote:
jerrywho wrote:
I think Ben Thomas should start his own pro group with Hocker/Teare/Hunter.
Those three plus James West, Reed Brown (should be good enough to go pro when it’s all said and done) and Thomas already coaches Neil Gourley professional. Pretty sick group
College coach might not have the time for a pro group. But yeah ideally you stick with what is working.
tuccone wrote:
C yod wrote:
Neither of those athletes would do well with Bowerman. Just because someone is fast doesn’t mean they go where they want. It’s like a job interview in the big groups. Both parties want to make sure that it’s a good fit.
Besides, you have been the one that has been adamant that BTC is doping in other threads...why would you want your latest sparkly trinkets that have caught your attention to go there if you believe that?
1. I still believe BTC is doping
2. I don’t want them to go there and I don’t think they will
Three I’s in two sentences indicates you are very full of yourself. Learn to write without using the word “I”
tuccone wrote:
The two brightest distance stars in America are undoubtedly Teare and Hocker. One might assume they would sign with BTC as it is the most successful group, until you realize the dilemma between Centro and the Oregon team. If BTC wants a chance to sign the two young studs, they need to give Centro the boot.
Assuming for the sake of the discussion that you might be correct, other than BTC management and the three referenced runners, who cares? Teare and Hocker can look at their options for coaching and support and make their decision. BTC can decide what they want to do. It doesn't affect the lives of the rest of us at all.
Maybe they can revive OTC. I think the bad blood is definitely there. Who knows how long Centro stays in the sport/with BTC. Cash rules everything so maybe some random brand makes a big play for them. FWIW Hocker is a sophomore & Teare is a senior so they might not be on the same timeline. Hocker should probably turn pro but that's not my decision to make.
example of another person full of him/her self wrote:
tuccone wrote:
1. I still believe BTC is doping
2. I don’t want them to go there and I don’t think they will
Three I’s in two sentences indicates you are very full of yourself. Learn to write without using the word “I”
1. BTC is doping
2. Hocker and Teare shouldn’t go to BTC and they probably won’t.
Is that better oh benevolent one????
I bet center doesn’t get his contract renewed next year anyway
Ever heard of Shelby Houlihan? 4th at World's with a 3:54?
Stoppit Smith wrote:
Who in the heck cares?
They can sign with Bowerman's club or not.
I don't understand runners and never did. I was actually a member of San Diego Track Club for 2 years and improved my times. Where i was disillusioned was how needy many were for a brotherhood. Run your practice, meet for drinks..etc.
Teare, Hocker, Grijalva, Young, Hasty, Silva, Centrowitz, Hunter, etc etc.
Why does it matter what club they join or why?
I swear that runners need teams more than anyone else. And it is pathetic.
Timewise, they may dominate,but lifewise, they are just timid cheerleaders.
Running is about times. Who cares about friendship?
I don't follow the MB closely enough to know who is who. I had no idea some dude was supposed to be time trialing yesterday (nor that he has to do it on a Saturday). The point is, I don't know anything about the guy I quoted nor whether or not I'd agree with anything else he's written.
Bu I must say this post struck me as dead-on. What is the team thing all about? I've never understood it. There are those who say their best friends were on the high school track team. Mine weren't. No one I hung out or trained with was. I stumbled across a track practice - still the only one I've been to - and knew one guy. One. And a bunch of randos I'd never met. They weren't and still aren't my best friends.
Many of you may say that your entire social life is built upon teams. Mine is not. I will confess to not having participated in the NCAA. Although I ran through all of high school (didn't start in high school; already did it before starting) and was the best distance runner in the school district, I had no interest in collegiate running. For better or worse, I didn't experience this whole team dynamic every other runner in the US seems to value. By the way, being the best at school may not be saying much, so that's not really bragging, but rather pointing out that I ran at the time - unattached.
All I know about the whole mystic is from RWTB. But still, what actual benefit do those other guys provide? It seems to me Gouch would have been exactly as fast without them. My suspicion is that the training was designed for him and the other guys may have been better off doing whatever ideal work for them was. And that's the downside: lack of personalization.
Remember the LRC reporter in Kenya who followed 3 Canova workouts? Each was different. Even a coach as well-respected as Wetmore didn't give each runner a unique schedule that doesn't involve anyone else, but Renato does. There were guys tagging along on one of them, but it was designed for the stars of the gang - just like a big mob follows Kipchoge around the track. He's doing whatever Sang told him to do; the others are just getting a non-personalized workout.
Add to that the seeming fact that you also have to race the events that the team is doing. What would I have had to do if I was part of the high school track team? I don't know, not having tried it, but I have an idea of the Colorado XC team circa '98 and I'd have had to do exactly what they all did. One team that doesn't seem to follow all that is NAZ. Their training is posted and they do different stuff. They go to different events, too.
I just can't appreciate the team obsession in an individual sport. Seems to me that it's just a way for the friendless to be less lonely. Not a good enough reason for me to join one, being neither friends nor lonely.
Yes, much better.
example of another person full of him/her self wrote:
Yes, much better.
Well thank god. I’ll be able to sleep at night now.
qtie wrote:
Why would they even want to change coaches? I agree with one of the posters above me, they should stick with Thomas as he’s obviously working wonders for them right now.
They might, but for one Thomas might not want to coach pros. He might not have the time. For two, their employer, Nike, might insist they join one of the Nike training groups.
Thomas already coaches Gourley who is Nike sponsored and in eugene
tuccone wrote:
C yod wrote:
Neither of those athletes would do well with Bowerman. Just because someone is fast doesn’t mean they go where they want. It’s like a job interview in the big groups. Both parties want to make sure that it’s a good fit.
Besides, you have been the one that has been adamant that BTC is doping in other threads...why would you want your latest sparkly trinkets that have caught your attention to go there if you believe that?
1. I still believe BTC is doping
2. I don’t want them to go there and I don’t think they will
Admittedly, I have no inside info but I find it hard to believe if for no other reason than it would be the ultimate combination of arrogance and stupidity based on what happened with NOP. Furthermore, the size of that group makes for too many possible loose lips.
Stoppit Smith wrote:
Who in the heck cares?
They can sign with Bowerman's club or not.
I don't understand runners and never did. I was actually a member of San Diego Track Club for 2 years and improved my times. Where i was disillusioned was how needy many were for a brotherhood. Run your practice, meet for drinks..etc.
Teare, Hocker, Grijalva, Young, Hasty, Silva, Centrowitz, Hunter, etc etc.
Why does it matter what club they join or why?
I swear that runners need teams more than anyone else. And it is pathetic.
Timewise, they may dominate,but lifewise, they are just timid cheerleaders.
Running is about times. Who cares about friendship?
thats super generous of you to put evert silva up with the rest of those guys!
tuccone wrote:
1. BTC is doping
Incorrect.
JohnNgugi wrote:
tuccone wrote:
1. BTC is doping
Incorrect.
To the gills HAHAAAAA
JohnNgugi wrote:
tuccone wrote:
Yikes. I’ve actually been a believer that BTC was a bunch of dopers for a few years, well before I got onto Letsrun.
There's no chance Schumacher would tolerate any doping.
he sent runners to TX to see an endocrinologist
tuccone wrote:
The two brightest distance stars in America are undoubtedly Teare and Hocker. One might assume they would sign with BTC as it is the most successful group, until you realize the dilemma between Centro and the Oregon team. If BTC wants a chance to sign the two young studs, they need to give Centro the boot.
I just got on this thread. Let me play devil's advocate.
You saw they are "undoubtedly" the brightest distance stars in America?
Have you ever hear of Nuguse?
You say the BTC is the most successful group when the reality is Jerry has never coached anyone to world or Olympic gold. Peter Julian has done that with Brazier and many times over as an assistant to Salazar with Farah/Hassan, etc.
Now Centro leaving wouldn't shock me..I m ean didn't he leave the N OP fo rthe same reason? Salazar tried to hire his replacement in Murphy so Centro bolted.
He should move back to his native Maryland and I'll coach him.
Hocker and Teare need to get a Nike contract ASAP, stay training at UO with their head coach. Same thing, except now the NCAA doesn't f*** them and they can make a living.