coahc wrote:
Good to see Aussie Adam Fogg make the final.
^^^^^ This!
I came here to say the same thing.
I think his experience from tactical racing in Australia since last year has helped him in this type of tactical race.
Once you make the finals anything can happen. He has already beaten the odds makers.
femurboy69 wrote:
For all the people talking about shoes, he ran a 3:55 at the husky classic two weeks ago in the same adidas spikes he wore today. Tactically he was bad today and thats why he didn't advance.
In a race of margins, everything counts.
He was in a hidden pair of the new Nike super spike. Most collegians have been doing so. It's a shame when they crack down on it though.
Not your regular field for the final.
Lucas Bons. Nobody had ever heard of him 2 weeks ago.
Tom Dodd. Who? His best before this season was a 3:44.25 (1500m)
Sean Dolan. 4:01.5 Pb before today. 4:05 Pb before this season.
Ben Nibbelink: 4:08Pb before this season...
Of course, Hocker, Reed, Suliman and Kipsang made it in. But many surprises...
Sean Dolan is the real deal and I called him to get all American
He ran 4:01 on a flat track for race #2 this season
jerseeyyyyyy
morons on letsrun were more impressed by Tanner's 3:55 with a slight smile than they were with his 3:34 in the 1500.
He isn't smiling today...........
rojo wrote:
So Jealous wrote:
Was it the shoes? Tanner was in Adidas. The top four were in Dragonfly’s it the new victory. He is out by .01. If he was in new Nike spikes would he have made it in?
What shoes did he wear at NBIGP. Anyone know?
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He has worn Dragonflys all NZ summer and in the NBIGP. Since then he's been in Adidas.
hoclchocovfg wrote:
Not your regular field for the final.
Lucas Bons. Nobody had ever heard of him 2 weeks ago.
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Nobody has heard of him because he's a Mormon and has been doing his mission work. He was a respectable 4:08 miler in high school
bruhmoment wrote:
Such a bummer. I was rooting for him and had him second in my LRC bracket.
Your bracket is busted bro
It seems so obvious that a guy with a PB significantly better than most of the field should at least make it moderately fast. Tanner didn't need to go run 3:56 like Hocker did. All he needed to do was make sure it was honest enough that all of the slower seeds in the field (closer to 3:58 guys) were too tired to kick well. Just go run 61-60-60 for the first three 400s and you are golden in that situation. That should not be hard for a 3:34 1500 guy and it probably strings the field out enough to avoid all of the positioning issues that Tanner handled so poorly in this one.
If the final is slow, watch out for Dolan. The kid can kick with anyone.
bearcatRun1998 wrote:
Sad we can't see Tanner vs Hocker, would have been a good battle.
I think it's now safe to say that it wouldn't have been.
Monster Kick wrote:
If the final is slow, watch out for Dolan. The kid can kick with anyone.
I would be very surprised to see a slow final. The announcers were pretty bad yesterday and they made it seem like Reed Brown isnt running even tho he qualified? still not sure, but would imagine Reed and Cole would work together again and Cole would be fine running a similar race. The way the other guys looked in heat 1 I really doubt they could pull off better times which leaves probably Kipsang as the only other possible contender? might not matter if Cole can just run to his potential.
on a side note, I am excited to see Adam Fogg in a hopefully fast race. Could maybe see him on the podium.
te5n1k wrote:
Monster Kick wrote:
If the final is slow, watch out for Dolan. The kid can kick with anyone.
I would be very surprised to see a slow final. The announcers were pretty bad yesterday and they made it seem like Reed Brown isnt running even tho he qualified? still not sure, but would imagine Reed and Cole would work together again and Cole would be fine running a similar race. The way the other guys looked in heat 1 I really doubt they could pull off better times which leaves probably Kipsang as the only other possible contender? might not matter if Cole can just run to his potential.
on a side note, I am excited to see Adam Fogg in a hopefully fast race. Could maybe see him on the podium.
I'm thinking Suliman has an outside shot. Guy's never really been dropped in a mile this year and has good closing speed. Hocker is a monster though so it is a very daunting task. But, I could see Suliman nabbing a silver.
Suliman kept up with the pack during the prelims but he was obviously straining and grimacing. Meanwhile, Hocker looked comfortable and relaxed. There’s nobody in that final who has a shot of beating Hocker.
Wrote this on an earlier thread - it's surprising yes, but also in a way no, because we have seen this so often over the course of history from college to pro meets.
Everyone backs their kick, they just do. It's not the rational, conscious part of the brain that controls it because, as people correctly point out, why would a guy as good as him ever leave it to this much chance. His subconscious mind simply assumes that as the best guy in the field that he will be able to deal with any type of race. Problem is when you are running that slow, even 4 flat guys can whirr the arms and legs in the last lap and by the time you realize it's happening you are in trouble and it's just too late.
Ultimately this will be a positive moment for him. His first big NCAA meet and such a great learning experience that will sit with him and will mean he won't make this type of error in judgement again. And it works out well to have this learning experience in the NCAA indoor meet which ultimately isn't that important compared to outdoors or an Olympic/WC heat/semi-final.
Sam is a pretty chilled guy, I don't think this will bother him too much. He will be back, come outdoors, no worries.
rurirurururur wrote:
Suliman kept up with the pack during the prelims but he was obviously straining and grimacing. Meanwhile, Hocker looked comfortable and relaxed. There’s nobody in that final who has a shot of beating Hocker.
I don't really put a lot of stock into people's facial expressions during a race. We will see...
Tanner didn´t qualify from the heat because he for some reason was not in the same shape as when he ran 3:34 in the 1500m (= 3:51 in the mile) and easily (with a smile) 3:55 in the mile recently.
IF he had been in the same shape as last month it would have been "piece of cake" to run a fast last lap to leave the competitors in the dust.
CArunner12 wrote:
It seems so obvious that a guy with a PB significantly better than most of the field should at least make it moderately fast. Tanner didn't need to go run 3:56 like Hocker did. All he needed to do was make sure it was honest enough that all of the slower seeds in the field (closer to 3:58 guys) were too tired to kick well. Just go run 61-60-60 for the first three 400s and you are golden in that situation. That should not be hard for a 3:34 1500 guy and it probably strings the field out enough to avoid all of the positioning issues that Tanner handled so poorly in this one.
So he ends up in 5th with 3:59? If he could have run a 3:34 yesterday, he could have closed sub 56. For whatever reason he was a bit off.
When you lose, whatever you do will be considered wrong. It might just be it wasn't your day.
