A 30-year old most of you have never heard of, Hedda Hynne of Norway, just ran a 1:58:10 world's best

A very special race. May be once in a lifetime, may be not. Lore Hoffmann ran 1.58.50, her PB was 2.00,51. Let's see in Roma tomorrow how good Hynne is.

German announcer, but what German accent trills its Rs? Serious question. Anybody know?

Yes wrote:

"So no progression for almost 3 years and then an improvement of almost 2 seconds in one year?

Seems plausible for a 30 year old ... "

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You seems to have great indsight! What are your comments to Centro´s, Kincaid´s and Mo Ahmed´s recent improvements in the 5000m? And Kincaid´s and Ahmed´s recent improvements in the 1500m?

Life expectancy in Scandinavia: Norway and Sweden at the top but only slightly

The average life expectancy in Sweden is 82.2 years with men living an average of 80.3 years and women living an average of 84.3 years.

Norway has a great life expectancy (82 years on average), thanks to the active Norwegian lifestyle, the diet that's full of Omega−3 fatty acids (all that salmon is definitely good for you) and of course, a robust healthcare system that's funded by the public.

In terms of health, life expectancy at birth in Denmark is 81 years, one year higher than the OECD average of 80 years. Life expectancy for women is 83 years, compared with 79 for men.

The life expectancy for Finland in 2019 was 81.81 years, a 0.21% increase from 2018. The life expectancy for Finland in 2018 was 81.64 years, a 0.23% increase from 2017. The life expectancy for Finland in 2017 was 81.45 years, a 0.23% increase from 2016.

# Country Life Expectancy (both sexes)

So in actual fact the Scandinavian countries are only around three years behind the longest living countries in the world. Two years behind Switzerland despite all that cheese in Switzerland and chocolate which is somewhat counterintuitive.

1 Hong Kong 85.29

2 Japan 85.03

3 Macao 84.68

4 Switzerland 84.25

“Norwegians eat too little fish, a lot of frozen pizza. Not much berries and nuts. 70 percent over 25 BMI. These problems were adressed in Norway yesterday. There is no such thing as a Norwegian diet.”

This means that 70% of Norwegians are overweight because the overweight category starts at 24 BMI for memory.

Well, they may not live the longest but I think in terms of quality of life Norway is right up there at the very top among the select very few countries.

If you'd written 1:58.10 I would have understood. Thought somebody had faked a sub-2:00 'thon, so a bit disappointed when I opened the thread.

This obsession with living a long life is misguided because what is the point of living a very long life if you spend the last 5 to 10 years of your life in a nursing home or in poor health?

In Sweden, from what I gather, the tragedy of old age there is that many old people live alone and feel lonely and isolated from their families and friends. This is the price one pays for being strong, robust and independent.

The Philippines, which I visit regularly, old age starts around 50 or 55 and longevity is quite low there but they are surrounded by friends and family so they live happy lives albeit shorter lives. A man of 60 in the Philippines would be about equivalent to a man of 80 in Scandinavia.

Nothing suspect over norwegian runners improvement the last year. They have all been training good and with patience and continuity for a number of years.

In one race in Oslo couple of weeks ago, 8 men ran sub 8 for 3000, and a couple right above 8. Maybe 20-25 runners now have the potensial to go sub 8 minutes. I think the record before was 6 runners sub 8 minutes in ONE whole season. And lots of young norwegians have already adopted the Ingebrigtsen system. So in the coming years I expect the level to be even higher than now.

And you suspicious people: you think it's suspect also with the 15 year old in that Oslo-race running 8,31?

Ghost1 wrote:

# Country Life Expectancy (both sexes)

So in actual fact the Scandinavian countries are only around three years behind the longest living countries in the world. Two years behind Switzerland despite all that cheese in Switzerland and chocolate which is somewhat counterintuitive.

1 Hong Kong 85.29

2 Japan 85.03

3 Macao 84.68

4 Switzerland 84.25

HK and Japan have the highest meat consumption in the world, almost a pound a day per person.

Yes wrote:

jumping rainbows puffy clouds wrote:

Bumch of scandanaviens all of sudden running fast. Nothing suspicious here.

You obviously haven't listened to the norwegian experts. It's the viking mentality, growing up with heavy snowfall and the special nutrition. All those things just occurred recently and therefore only now we see the benefits.

When you start seeing crazy explanations for performances it always turns out to just be doping. .... The secret is turtle soup, spinning high cadence, taking care of all the small details, living in the Riff valley, altitude, running 10 miles to school each day...

I love that most Norwegians also are in major denial of the amount of doping past and present in their favorite sport Nordic skiing.

Holinshed wrote:

German announcer, but what German accent trills its Rs? Serious question. Anybody know?

The announcer is Swiss and has a slight Swiss German accent. There are also regions in Germany with trilled/rolled r's but it would be uncommon for an announcer.

YMMV wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

# Country Life Expectancy (both sexes)

So in actual fact the Scandinavian countries are only around three years behind the longest living countries in the world. Two years behind Switzerland despite all that cheese in Switzerland and chocolate which is somewhat counterintuitive.

1 Hong Kong 85.29

2 Japan 85.03

3 Macao 84.68

4 Switzerland 84.25

HK and Japan have the highest meat consumption in the world, almost a pound a day per person.

I assume you’re saying this because you are based on the ketogenic diet. I’ve heard the Japanese eat meat but not in large quantities maybe not more than 100 g per day. If you go to places like Japan, Hong Kong etc. you will notice that yes meters eaten but the lion share of the diet is composed of vegetables and rice. I am a direct witness to all this because I’ve been living in the Far East for the past 10 years on and off, including Japan, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and mainland China.

Typo: it should read that meat is eaten in Japan but not in large quantities. Also, the lion’s share of the diet is composed of vegetables and rice.

I have no idea who Kincaid is, so i won't comment on him.

Ahmed: Athletes usually peak later in the 5k/10k/Marathon, so in my opinion it is more likely for a 30 year old to improve in the 5k than in the 800. The 1500 isn't Ahmed's main distance, so i don't think his times in that event have been really representative of his true potential over the years. In addition to that his 12:47 was achieved in some "private" meet instead of some Diamond League meet for example. If he ever runs close to 12:47 there i might reconsider. Last year he improved his PB from 13:01 to 12:58 at the age of 28 (instead of 30). The 5k is 6.25 times as long as the 800, so he would have had to improve by 11 seconds over the 5k to achieve a similar improvement as Hynne.

Loppas wrote:

Nothing suspect over norwegian runners improvement the last year. They have all been training good and with patience and continuity for a number of years.

In one race in Oslo couple of weeks ago, 8 men ran sub 8 for 3000, and a couple right above 8. Maybe 20-25 runners now have the potensial to go sub 8 minutes. I think the record before was 6 runners sub 8 minutes in ONE whole season. And lots of young norwegians have already adopted the Ingebrigtsen system. So in the coming years I expect the level to be even higher than now.

And you suspicious people: you think it's suspect also with the 15 year old in that Oslo-race running 8,31?

Agreed. Also nothing suspect with their improvements in cross-country skiing (except of course the fact that their top 2 athletes have been caught recently). Also the fact that Henrik Ingebrigtsen was on the Fancy Bear list doesn't mean anything obviously, must have been a typo.

YMMV wrote:

Ghost1 wrote:

# Country Life Expectancy (both sexes)

So in actual fact the Scandinavian countries are only around three years behind the longest living countries in the world. Two years behind Switzerland despite all that cheese in Switzerland and chocolate which is somewhat counterintuitive.

1 Hong Kong 85.29

2 Japan 85.03

3 Macao 84.68

4 Switzerland 84.25

HK and Japan have the highest meat consumption in the world, almost a pound a day per person.

Please give your source. I think in reality there are a lot of countries with a higher rate, for example the US, Australia, Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil, New Zealand, Netherlands, Chile, Canada, Isreal, Russia, South Korea, Mexico, South Africa, China, Colombia.

boat with a parachute wrote:

Yes wrote:

You obviously haven't listened to the norwegian experts. It's the viking mentality, growing up with heavy snowfall and the special nutrition. All those things just occurred recently and therefore only now we see the benefits.

When you start seeing crazy explanations for performances it always turns out to just be doping. .... The secret is turtle soup, spinning high cadence, taking care of all the small details, living in the Riff valley, altitude, running 10 miles to school each day...

I love that most Norwegians also are in major denial of the amount of doping past and present in their favorite sport Nordic skiing.

Yes, you are correct. It is always only the other countries doping. What really impresses me is the ability of some/many norwegian people to be in complete denial, despite the fact that their top two cross-country skiers have been caught just recently. I would somehow understand the denial if their wouldn't be any smoke, but their is a giant fire right in front of them and they still can't seem to see it ...

Name ONE Norwegian runner whit doping violation, suspicion or whereabouts!