Jakob Ingebrigtsen is NOT even the Best 19 Year Old Runner Named Jakob/Jacob

Same could be said for Jakob though he was leading the chasers until the last lap when he could sit behind Cheruiyot.

Pajac wrote:

ex-runner wrote:

That's not the race I saw. He had Barega to chase for 4000m. Without Barega there is no way he would have run 12:48

I agree with the second sentence in your post.

But Kiplimo still had no dedicated pacers, as he first set the pace with Crippa and then hit the front soon after catching Barega, after a solo chase.

Jakob had no dedicated pacers either he set the pace for the whole chasing pack until he caught Timothy on the last lap.

fact checker 642572498 wrote:

This is the ONLY correct answer:

Jakob's 3:28 indicates he can potentially run in the 12:40s in the 5k in the near future

Kiplimo will NEVER run 3:28 in the 1500.

Neither will Cheptegei.

So what is your point?

Heres Jonny wrote:

Jacob Kiplimo just ran 12:48 at age 19 and is obviously a better runner than Ingebrigtsen. Let us celebrate these two young stars of the sport. Maybe they would have a good battle at 3000m.

I made a similar argument here a year ago, that the more interesting Jacob is the Ugandan Kiplimo. But Ingebrigtsen fanboys assume that all Africans lie about their age and dope, so...

We are yet to see more of Kiplimo. He is as good as Cheptegei, if not better.

seasoned ranker wrote:

Brazilian Guy wrote:

It's also worth noting that Kiplimo had someone to draft nearly the entire race while Jakob had none. And I think ~10min of drafting has more impact on one's performance than a "fast track".

What are you smoking?

My bad.

Didn't watched the whole race. Just the last km. And by that I've got the impression that Kiplimo had been drafting Barega for ages.

Now, I've come back and watched the whole race and saw that Kiplimo ran pretty much alone until 4000m. That makes his run much more impressive!

But still a little off from 3:28.

Loppas wrote:

KaareV wrote:

How do you know? Documention, please. Not speculations.

That is the problem in East Africa. No documentation. Of the birth date!

No birth certifications, at least not thrusrworthy.

"You need a passport? Ok, when is your date of birth?"

"1. january, nineteen ninety....ehh...two thoussand!"

"Oki doki"

This 31-year old East African, Ugandan actually, has two birth certificates; abridged and unabridged. Try something else to diminish their accomplishments; you could always go with doping because that is how y'all sour grape.

Heres Jonny wrote:

Jacob Kiplimo just ran 12:48 at age 19 and is obviously a better runner than Ingebrigtsen. Let us celebrate these two young stars of the sport. Maybe they would have a good battle at 3000m.

And is already going bald!

He's "19"

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Heres Jonny wrote:

Jacob Kiplimo just ran 12:48 at age 19 and is obviously a better runner than Ingebrigtsen. Let us celebrate these two young stars of the sport. Maybe they would have a good battle at 3000m.

And is already going bald!

When you think ukathleticscoach can't come up with any more stupid comments...

as far as kiplimo running that race by himself, sure, he did not get to draft on anybody. but psychologically, it still helps to run fast speeds when the guy in front of you is within your sight. even if it is 50, 60, 100 meters. Runners with a nose for the finish line always have a sense of how their pace compares to the man in front of him, and I'm sure he could feel himself slowly reeling Barega in from the halfway point on.

I know I have been in chase type races where I am using a guy that is at least 1/4 mile in front of me for motivation.

Psychologically, it is much easier than actually being a solo front runner. Same goes for Jakob's 1500 effort.

Officialdb wrote:

He's "19"

Yup, there are no teenagers in Kenya, Uganda or Ethiopia.

-_-

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Heres Jonny wrote:

Jacob Kiplimo just ran 12:48 at age 19 and is obviously a better runner than Ingebrigtsen. Let us celebrate these two young stars of the sport. Maybe they would have a good battle at 3000m.

And is already going bald!

So you think Rihanna has been balding since birth?

fact checker 642572498 wrote:

This is the ONLY correct answer:

Jakob's 3:28 indicates he can potentially run in the 12:40s in the 5k in the near future

Kiplimo will NEVER run 3:28 in the 1500.

I’m not sure I believe this on either front. First of all, 3:28 in no way indicates sub 12:50 potential. Out of all the runners to break 3:30, I’m pretty sure that Komen is the only one who has also run sub 12:50. Not saying he can’t do it, Jakob Ingebrigtsen is a beast, but it’s far from a given.

Secondly, I don’t think we should rule out Kiplimo running a fast 1500m. Mo Farah did it, and I can imagine a similar progression for Kiplimo. Not saying it’s likely, but I’d rather bet on that than on Jakob dropping 12:48

Even if his time is rated as slightly worse than Ingebrigtsen’s, Kiplimo clearly has the better resume.

Bekele did 3.32 and kiplimo is not as fast as him over 1500. Besides some xc medals, what makes kiplimo's resume better than Jakobs?

Well Jakob has run his best of 13:02 twice in a championship race and an erratically paced DL race.

To give you a sense of the PBs around him in those races, in London he lost narrowly to an athlete with a 12:45 PB/12:54 SB (Gebrhiwet). In Doha, he misjudged his race but all the athletes ahead of him have run 12:54 or better. Behind him, Nicholas Kimeli ran 12:51 this year. So if Jakob was in 3:30 form last season he as able to put performances that indicated around 12:55-12:57 fitness at worst in a fast race. He's gotten a second plus faster in the 1500, and run some good marks at 2,000 and on the roads. I don't think it'd be aggressive to posit he could run 12:51-12:54 right now.

He is one of the clearer 1500/5000 types on the all-time list. Hicham El Guerrouj ran 12:50 in the 5000, so he just missed despite not running it/focusing on it much. Similarly, Bernard Lagat and Nourredine Morceli rarely went for times but flashed some tantalizing potential even late in their careers.

barney23 wrote:

Heres Jonny wrote:

Jacob Kiplimo just ran 12:48 at age 19 and is obviously a better runner than Ingebrigtsen. Let us celebrate these two young stars of the sport. Maybe they would have a good battle at 3000m.

I made a similar argument here a year ago, that the more interesting Jacob is the Ugandan Kiplimo. But Ingebrigtsen fanboys assume that all Africans lie about their age and dope, so...

We are yet to see more of Kiplimo. He is as good as Cheptegei, if not better.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest he'll never run faster than 12:48.

Testing positive is very likely too.

You can't just throw a "besides" in front of the biggest thing that either of them have accomplished. Kiplimo's 2nd place finish at world XC is better than anything Jakob has done. For comparison, on the same day Jakob was 12th... in the junior race, a race that Kiplimo won 2 years earlier.

That's an impressive list of people that Ingebrigsten hasn't beaten. Lets look at some of the runners that Kiplimo has actually beaten:

Geoffrey Kamworor - 58:01 WR in the Half, Reigning XC champ

Selemon Barega - 12:43 in the 5000m, 26:49 in the 10000m

Rhonex Kipruto - 26:50 in the 10000m, 26:24 in the 10km

Selemon Barega again, in a sub 12:50 race.

I'm not saying that Jakob isn't amazing, or that he is guaranteed to have a worse career than Kiplimo, but as it stands right now Kiplimo's resume is better. It is stupid to count speculative results as a reason that Jakob is better, because they're just speculation. If he's been training for the 5000m then Jakob probably can run 12:55 or better this year, but right now we have to live with the fact that he hasn't.

What I think what we can both agree on though is that a race between them this year will be awesome! I'll probably be cheering for Ingebrigsten, but betting on Kiplimo.

Jakob is a track runner and doesn't care about xc at all, only off season fun. You have to compare track to track. antoine griezmann have a better resume than both with gold in fotball world cup 2018...

Kiplimo is a very accomplished Cross-Country runner, there is no doubt. On the track, there is more doubt. He has a fast road 10K (downhill). Removing Cross-Country and the Roads, the 12:49 is his first track mark of major significance though he has some credentials at the junior level.

There is no speculation in noting that Jakob has been the clear-cut number two 1,500 runner in the world the past two seasons. He made some errors to come up empty-handed in Doha, but as it stands he is a strong favorite to earn silver in Tokyo. I can't say the same for Kiplimo's medaling prospects except for in Cross Country. Though he has beaten some big names, he is probably no better than third or fourth on the totem pole in the 5000/10,000 and perhaps as low as sixth or seventh.

10,000:

Cheptegei

Kipruto

Farah

Kwemoi (beat Kiplimo at Commonwealth Games in 2018, 4th in Doha)

Ahmed

Kejelcha (poor season, but can recapture old form)

5,000:

Cheptegei

Edris

Barega (went out harder, paid price because of it)

Ahmed

Chelimo (if he can recapture old form)