Brynn Brown (Jr.) runs 9:39 3200 time trial!

There are a few Tuohy fans on this site who have a creepy following of her. If Tuohy ran the workout and time trial that Brown ran, these guys would declare her to be the next Olympic champ. But if someone else does it, the workout is dumb and the time trial video was doctored.

Well I guess I am old fashioned. Here I am thinking that if you claim that someone allegedly ran a great time and want to use that as some type of comparison that it be done in an actual race on an actually measured track that is officially timed under conditions that even remotely approximate to actual race conditions as opposed to whatever this was.

My guess is we will see another 9:58 or so performance if real racing ever starts up again. Which is quite good. But if she ever officially breaks a record more power to her.

No. I would say that it was a work out under conditions that made it impossible to compare to any real race.

We are witnessing the development of the fastest high school girl in history. Nobody knows how fast she will be in college but we should sit back and enjoy what she is doing today.

what makes you think the track wasn't measured? Do you think it is a secret short track that is only used by dishonest runners when they want to irritate fanatical supporters of other outstanding HS runners?

I'm not the one who made a big deal out of a work out. You guys are and are desperate to compare it to real race results. In that case it is fair to point out that this comes with self-evident problems. Look if she comes back and runs near record times in actual races then I will gladly concede the point.

Doesn't matter if you concede. She is the fastest girl of all time. Nobody else has ever completed a workout like that and now she runs faster than Tuohy's PR. I am expecting 8:50 for 3000 next year.

OK. As long is it is done in an actual race. Along the way do better than 23rd at NXN. I will be rooting for her.

Was the goal to potentially put up the fastest time ever at that distance

Did they want to go faster than Mary Caine's 938 2 Mile

She's a really good runner. And is obviously working really hard and deserves a lot of credit

I hope she's cross training. After having some injuries she would really benefit from doing a lot of pool work and cycling

Anyway thorvaldsens working really hard to so it should be an awesome nxn

Anyone here wasn't Tuohy Mary Cain and starliper all going to do a workout at the Armory for a little feat organization

It'll be interesting to know what running in such a configuration gives you an advantage per lap

It certainly wasn't as pronounced as the marathon record configuration. But certainly a second a lap maybe more

If you combine that with not having to lap other Runners and psychological advantage of just being able to focus on the person in front of you and knowing exactly what they are doing

But then again you also are somewhat limited from the fact that you don't have the excitement and focus of an actual race with all the other ways that motivate you

I would probably say it gives you somewhere about 1 1/2 seconds per lap Advantage compared to an actual High School race

But then again many of canes and some of Katelyn Tuohy races have been with professional so

Yeah I would say anywhere from 1.5 seconds for a high school race Pro lab to only about half a second for a pro race. Well it really depends but it was an awesome performance so certainly want to be positive and encourage such great effort

We probably should discount all but one of the sub 4 high school races because they were following pros in paced races. We probably should not even count Bannister's time trial because that is what it was. Just a few guys with a rabbit and a large crowd and probably not a certified track and hand held time.

Guys it's definitely a pretty big Edge to run in formation like that

That's how kipchoge set the marathon record

It would be an interesting discussion to figure out exactly how much that helps

My guess would be somewhere between 1 to 2 seconds the lap compared with the way these girls usually run leading from start to finish a normal high school race

Then again it helps when they run an elite races or against Pros because then they can run in formation

So if Young had led Arcadia last year and Sprout followed, I guess Young would have been 1-2 seconds slower per lap. That gets him only 8:52. And Sprout would have been 1-2 seconds faster per lap. That gets him 8:28. Wow. I knew Sprout was better on the track than Young but didn't know it was that much.

It's not a conspiracy to undermine a great effort

It's just common sense that drafting an entire race and running information like that gives you a 1 to 2 seconds Advantage per lap. It's still a great effort but you can't compare it to someone who led her race from start to finish and had to lap the field multiple times

astro wrote:

OK. As long is it is done in an actual race. Along the way do better than 23rd at NXN. I will be rooting for her.

LMFAO

This dude is so butthurt that she ran a phenomenal time, that he tries to use her finish at NXN as if she didn't miss 6 entire weeks right before NXN (including the Texas state meet). The fact she came back to finish 23rd after that many weeks off is incredible.

So sad how salty he's acting just because people are starting to talk about her.

gotta stay healthy wrote:

astro wrote:

Good time. Comparable to other good 3200m meter times lately. Starliper had a 9:54 for example. So 9:50s would be her competitive race time.

hahahahaha, there is no way you are serious. It is legitimately funny now the way you are committed to the position.

If you were doing this out of loyalty to some other runner, I'd say, relax, enjoy the great performances of whoever your favorite runner is, and realize that there are always going to be other great runners who merit attention and praise. That's ok. Your favorite isn't going to be the all-time #1.

Here’s the truth. If Brown was in a 3200m race with Starliper and Dudek she would not have come close to this time. She would have no chance because she would be setting the pace and she would leading and expending energy, and it would be very ugly for Brown the last 400m when Starliper and Dudek blow by her and they sprint to the finish! This is how a race is different, Brown has zero speed and the kickers who have endurance and strength like Dudek and Starliper, will sit and kick to win and in the process may go sub 9:47 for Tuohy’s record. Brown would just be the perfect rabbit for them like Hart was at Footlocker. Dudek and Starliper ran the 5th and 6th fastest times at Footlocker after Hart went out hard and lead for over two miles. With only a CC and indoor season this year, Dudek and Starliper had the best year if you combine indoor and CC. The two best athletes of this year of running.

I think all 3 of these girls could run 9:35 in a race in front of 10,000 fans with no pacer. Funny thing is that I think Tuohy would not match her own record.

New Queen wrote:

I think all 3 of these girls could run 9:35 in a race in front of 10,000 fans with no pacer. Funny thing is that I think Tuohy would not match her own record.

I don’t think any of them can run that fast right now.......and for their long term success, it would actually make me sad for them if they ran that fast.

I know Starliper could not run that fast right now because her coach who is very smart does not allow her to do the mileage needed to run like that. He told her parents as a sophomore that he will not train her to be the best high school runner, but to make sure she has a career beyond high school. He wants her to progress slowly.

He said her mileage progression was as follows:

Sophomore 30-35

Junior: 35-40

Senior: 40-45

He said his whole plan was to make sure she did not hit 50 mpw until college. Even her workouts were to get her strong to handle the next level. Her weeks usually just consisted of a long run, tempo or fartlek, and some kind of hill workout. Her Interval training was very limited and never did speed workouts until outdoor track. She is on the all time top 10 list in 1500, 1 mile, 3000, and 2 mile Indoor And never touched the track for a workout.

So obviously she has a ton of room to keep progressing as she heads to NC State

Record

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_high_school_national_records_in_track_and_field

FastTuohy wrote:

In the interview Tuohy also said she thought she was ready to run faster.

"After the race, Tuohy expressed a slight disappointment in her time, although she was excited to have broken the record. Despite the fast time, she mentions that her workouts had indicated a faster result, and that may have be achieved by having closer competition. "

https://ny.milesplit.com/articles/240707-a-record-breaking-race-for-katelyn-touhy-at-the-loucks-games

Researched this a little bit and found this article on the Loucks 3200 where Tuohy set the record.

"Immediately after the race, Tuohy seemed disappointed with the effort, no doubt a result of the lopsided splits of 4:45.95 and 5:01.93. “At this point with Katelyn, she’s expecting to be running really fast times,” says Kyle Murphy, North Rockland’s outdoor head coach. “The idea was to click 72 and 73 laps [4:48–4:52 pace] for a little while and see how that felt. And she was just a little bit faster, and it took a little bit off the second half of the race.”

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Tuohy had hoped to run 9:40 (or better), hence the initial post-race frustration. “She was mostly disappointed because she didn’t execute it the way that she knew she had to,” Murphy says. “She wants to run as fast as she can, and in that moment she felt like she took that chance away from herself.” But, he adds, “maybe 15, 20 minutes later she was a very happy kid.”