"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

fisky wrote:

. . . Odds of getting covid over the next 12 months: 1 in 50 . . .

Unless you're living isolated in the basement, this seems like an unrealistically low estimate given the number of confirmed cases in the U.S.

OK. There's a 1 in 3 chance Harambe will blow a random guy by the end of the week.

And now the Liberal governors are starting to turn on Tyrant Joe. Lol.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/democratic-governor-kelly-kansas-biden-vaccine-mandate.amp

The tide is turning for freedom loving Americans who are fed up with these mandates as government overreach & fundamentally unconstitutional! 👍

Well, well. Slowly, predictably, we're seeing waning vaccine protection w regard to infection AND serious illness control. And, at least in the UK, they're already discussing mandating boosters. Will be interesting to see where Biden's unconstitutional OSHA mandate goes and whether Americans continue to put up with the government's unlawful, unethical intrusion in personal medical decisions.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/vaccine-waning-immunity-covid-deaths-b1953158.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10173159/Covid-plans-ban-hassle-free-foreign-travel-fail-jab.html

~45% of the US has gotten COVID. You cannot use positive tests only!

Delta is extremely transmissible -- easily circulating in places that contained prior strains.

I think you are making a severe under estimate of your odds here!

Wuss alert wrote:

Well, well. Slowly, predictably, we're seeing waning vaccine protection w regard to infection AND serious illness control. And, at least in the UK, they're already discussing mandating boosters. Will be interesting to see where Biden's unconstitutional OSHA mandate goes and whether Americans continue to put up with the government's unlawful, unethical intrusion in personal medical decisions.

Lol now you've moved on from misinterpreting papers to random quotes from UK officials with no data. Official UK data shows very little waning against severe disease

The descent into denier-fearmonger madposting continues.

Are you vaccinated?

Can you source a hospital that is “overwhelmed” and turning away vaxxed?

"it's the vulnerable people who are still dying, people with underlying ailments"

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-irelands-co-waterford-has-one-of-the-highest-vaccination-rates-in-the-world-so-why-are-cases-surging-12461642

Pandemic of the vaccinated continues. folks.

fisky wrote:

This would be an interesting poll. How many people have you been with 6 feet of indoors without a mask for five minutes in the past week?

Several dozen.

45% have gotten covid? Please provide a source. I'll look at it and adjust my risk assessment accordingly. The data shows 45million cases or about 15%, which is about 7%/year. Even if the number of cases is 45%, that would mean that those extra cases were so mild that they didn't require treatment so my severe covid risk would be unchanged.

fisky wrote:

45% have gotten covid? Please provide a source. I'll look at it and adjust my risk assessment accordingly. The data shows 45million cases or about 15%, which is about 7%/year. Even if the number of cases is 45%, that would mean that those extra cases were so mild that they didn't require treatment so my severe covid risk would be unchanged.

I couldn't find most recent estimates, but 33% by end of 2020 -> 45% by today seems plausible with Delta wave.

It's been well known that even at max testing levels we were still missing 2-3 cases per positive. Many more in the early pandemic.

Your discounting only works if you believe you have the same risk profile as those undetected cases.

Man Overboard wrote:

Pandemic of the vaccinated continues. folks.

Denier-fearmongers babbling about cases, as usual.

Yawn. Must be enraging waking up in a world where vaccines prevent nearly all death, the establishment and Big Pharma gets all the credit, and you're left with nothing but some wrong posts on LRC.

Hyperbole Joe wrote:

Can you source a hospital that is “overwhelmed” and turning away vaxxed?

ANCHORAGE — There was one bed coming available in the intensive care unit in Alaska’s largest hospital.

It was the middle of the night, and the hospital, Providence Alaska Medical Center in Anchorage, had been hit with a deluge of coronavirus patients. Doctors now had a choice to make: Several more patients at the hospital, most of them with Covid-19, were in line to take that last I.C.U. spot. But there was also someone from one of the state’s isolated rural communities who needed to be flown in for emergency surgery.

Who should get the final bed?

Dr. ​​Steven Floerchinger gathered with his colleagues for an agonizing discussion. They had a better chance of saving one of the patients in the emergency room, they determined. The other person would have to wait.

That patient died.

. . .

“When your hospitals are full, you can’t just put them into an ambulance and take them to another town,” Senator Lisa Murkowski said of Alaska patients in a floor speech to Congress on Friday. She described her own trip to an emergency room in Fairbanks, where a loved one needed help for a non-Covid problem. They were told that critical care beds were full and that they might have to fly to Seattle.

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Harambe wrote:

fisky wrote:

45% have gotten covid? Please provide a source. I'll look at it and adjust my risk assessment accordingly. The data shows 45million cases or about 15%, which is about 7%/year. Even if the number of cases is 45%, that would mean that those extra cases were so mild that they didn't require treatment so my severe covid risk would be unchanged.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/08/26/1-in-3-americans-had-covid-by-the-end-of-2020-models-estimate-thats-four-times-the-official-count/?sh=3f0c4205fe8b

I couldn't find most recent estimates, but 33% by end of 2020 -> 45% by today seems plausible with Delta wave.

It's been well known that even at max testing levels we were still missing 2-3 cases per positive. Many more in the early pandemic.

Your discounting only works if you believe you have the same risk profile as those undetected cases.

Thanks for providing a source.

I'm thinking this over now. Frankly, I thought I had covid in June 2020, but all the symptoms except one disappeared in 12 hours so I didn't bother to get tested. The extreme shortness of breath lingered for four months and then disappeared over the course of only a few weeks.

fisky wrote:

Thanks for providing a source.

I'm thinking this over now. Frankly, I thought I had covid in June 2020, but all the symptoms except one disappeared in 12 hours so I didn't bother to get tested. The extreme shortness of breath lingered for four months and then disappeared over the course of only a few weeks.

Get an antibody test for prior infection! No real clue how to do so in your area but it may help to give you peace of mind:

DanM wrote:

colder and wiser wrote:

Or something like, "In our small town of 50,000 people, we're going to select 20 people at random and shoot them in the head. You can leave your name on the list of potential people to shoot, or you can take your name off the list. Totally up to you, though."

Your "at random" scenario applies to what ? Not Covid-19 which affects clearly defined high risk groups.

Dude, it applies to YOU. They're your own numbers. 1 in 2500 is the same ratio as 20 in 50,000. With a disease as infectious as Covid, if you don't get vaccinated, you'll definitely be making a stop in Shoot 20 People In The Head City at some point. You can take your name out of the volunteer pool if you want, or not.

But you're dramatically underestimating how valuable your life is to you. The chance of a fatal outcome is small, but you have to multiply that by the worth of your life to get the expected outcome. What's .0004 times infinity? That's the question you have to ask yourself.

Harambe wrote:

[quote]Man Overboard wrote:

Pandemic of the vaccinated continues. folks.

Denier-fearmongers babbling about cases, as usual.

Classic. From the guy who backs the fear campaign by Big Pharma that has been screaming about cases for over 20 months.'

This guy is astounding.

Harambe wrote:

fisky wrote:

Thanks for providing a source.

I'm thinking this over now. Frankly, I thought I had covid in June 2020, but all the symptoms except one disappeared in 12 hours so I didn't bother to get tested. The extreme shortness of breath lingered for four months and then disappeared over the course of only a few weeks.

Get an antibody test for prior infection! No real clue how to do so in your area but it may help to give you peace of mind:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html

So ignorant.

If you had Covid more than a few months ago you still have protection but the antibodies are gone.

This is very basic stuff.

carmine9 wrote:

Harambe wrote:

Get an antibody test for prior infection! No real clue how to do so in your area but it may help to give you peace of mind:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/testing/serology-overview.html

So ignorant.

If you had Covid more than a few months ago you still have protection but the antibodies are gone.

This is very basic stuff.

Harambe is not very smart.