Harambe wrote:
This is very black and white. We have a segment of the population (the unvaccinated) that ignored common sense, consumed a dangerously high level of emergency services and endangered (or outright killed) their fellow Americans. All of this could have been prevented had enough of them taken the safe and effective vaccine.
An acceptable alternative solution to vaccine mandates is to make it legal for emergency medical providers to kick unvaccinated covid cases out of the hospitals to make room for others.
Take your choice! But, what is not acceptable is to allow people to remain unvaccinated and get equal access to medical resources when they are scarce.
Harambe writes the above, the very next post he calls people that disagree with him fearmongers. You can't make this up! Of the Branch Covidians Harambe ranks with 2600 and, the ironically named, Thoughtsleader, as the biggest, fear porn, Covidians on the board.
Then he goes onto endorse lifestyle based medical care. What a slippery slope that is.
The only thing to fear is people like Harambe holding power.
"Biden Fixed Covid" - Harambe March 2021
Harvard University study finds most vaccinated countries have highest number of Covid-19 cases per million people suggesting the jabs do not work
BY THE EXPOSÉ ON OCTOBER 21, 2021 •
COVID-19 injections have been presented as the only solution to stop the pandemic. Mass vaccination has occurred on an unprecedented scale, and as of October 2021, 6.54 billion doses of COVID-19 jabs have been administered, equating to 47.6% of the world population having received at least one dose.1
The mass injection effort, however, has failed to stop the pandemic, and a study published in the European Journal of Epidemiology has released bombshell data showing that increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination in 68 countries worldwide and 2,947 counties in the U.S.2
By Dr Joseph Mercola
Data Show Jabs Aren’t Working as Promised
The official COVID narrative continues to blame the ongoing pandemic on the unvaccinated, even as data show that areas with high vaccination rates, like Israel, continue to have significant COVID-19 spread. As noted by S. V. Subramanian, from the Harvard Center for Population and Development Studies and a colleague in the European Journal of Epidemiology:3
“Vaccines currently are the primary mitigation strategy to combat COVID-19 around the world. For instance, the narrative related to the ongoing surge of new cases in the United States (US) is argued to be driven by areas with low vaccination rates.
A similar narrative also has been observed in countries, such as Germany and the United Kingdom. At the same time, Israel that was hailed for its swift and high rates of vaccination has also seen a substantial resurgence in COVID-19 cases.”
Using data from Our World in Data for cross-country analysis, and the White House COVID-19 Team data for U.S. counties, the researchers investigated the relationship between new COVID-19 cases and the percentage of the population that had been fully vaccinated. Sixty-eight countries were included, among which they found “no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last seven days.”
Not only did vaccination not decrease the number of new COVID-19 cases, but it was associated with a slight increase in them. According to the study, “[T]he trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.”4
Highly Vaxxed Countries With Higher COVID-19 Cases
If there were any doubt for the need to seriously question the worldwide mass injection campaign, this should put it to rest: Iceland and Portugal, both of which have more than 75% of their populations fully vaccinated, have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than Vietnam and South Africa, which have only about 10% of their population fully vaccinated.5
Israel is another example. With more than 60% of its population fully vaccinated, it had the highest number of COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last seven days.6 The data from US counties were similar, with new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people “largely similar” regardless of the percentage of the population fully vaccinated.
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“There also appears to be no significant signaling of COVID-19 cases decreasing with higher percentages of population fully vaccinated,” they wrote.7 Notably, out of the five U.S. counties with the highest vaccination rates — ranging from 84.3% to 99.9% fully vaccinated — four of them were on the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s “high transmission” list. Meanwhile, 26.3% of the 57 counties with “low transmission” have low vaccination rates of under 20%.
The study even accounted for a one-month lag time that could occur among the fully vaccinated, since it’s said that it takes two weeks after the final dose for “full immunity” to occur. Still, “no discernable association between COVID-19 cases and levels of fully vaccinated” was observed.8
Worth repeating:
Using data from Our World in Data for cross-country analysis, and the White House COVID-19 Team data for U.S. counties, the researchers investigated the relationship between new COVID-19 cases and the percentage of the population that had been fully vaccinated. Sixty-eight countries were included, among which they found “no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last seven days.”
Not only did vaccination not decrease the number of new COVID-19 cases, but it was associated with a slight increase in them. According to the study, “[T]he trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.
The Clown Show wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/vaccine-mandate-covering-84-million-workers-124503548.htmlTick tick tick
That idiotic rule does not apply to me and we will see if it survives multiple legal challenges.
Happily unvaccinated. 604 days and barely a sniffle.
How 'bout you ?
Massachusetts State of Emergency declared: 2020-03-10 Days since: 604
First mRNA shots administered in the US: 2020-12-14 Days since: 325
We discussed this paper over a week ago. Keep up!
My favorite thing is when non-scientists claim “Harvard” did X or Y due to some authors’ affiliation. It’s cute :)
carmine9 wrote:
Worth repeating:
Using data from Our World in Data for cross-country analysis, and the White House COVID-19 Team data for U.S. counties, the researchers investigated the relationship between new COVID-19 cases and the percentage of the population that had been fully vaccinated. Sixty-eight countries were included, among which they found “no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last seven days.”
That one was dismantled a while back. Try to keep up.
BTW the word is "discernible."
2600 bro wrote:
We discussed this paper over a week ago. Keep up!
My favorite thing is when non-scientists claim “Harvard” did X or Y due to some authors’ affiliation. It’s cute :)
My favorite thing was when Pfizer and Moderna sent their boys out to pay a visit to Cleveland Clinic the day after this story was published.
https://www.wfla.com/news/no-vaccine-needed-for-those-whove-had-covid-19-cleveland-clinic-study-says/DanM wrote:
2600 bro wrote:
We discussed this paper over a week ago. Keep up!
My favorite thing is when non-scientists claim “Harvard” did X or Y due to some authors’ affiliation. It’s cute :)
My favorite thing was when Pfizer and Moderna sent their boys out to pay a visit to Cleveland Clinic the day after this story was published.
https://www.wfla.com/news/no-vaccine-needed-for-those-whove-had-covid-19-cleveland-clinic-study-says/
Wait a minute, wasn't someone arguing on the Rodgers thread that getting Covid once gave you 100% protection from getting it again? And the same Cleveland Clinic study was cited?
The state Department of Health reported a total of 8,184 reinfections, including a few people who had COVID-19 three or more times.
https://www.startribune.com/minnesota-reports-first-covid-19-reinfection-numbers/600112043/carmine9 wrote:
Worth repeating:
Using data from Our World in Data for cross-country analysis, and the White House COVID-19 Team data for U.S. counties, the researchers investigated the relationship between new COVID-19 cases and the percentage of the population that had been fully vaccinated. Sixty-eight countries were included, among which they found “no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last seven days.”
Not only did vaccination not decrease the number of new COVID-19 cases, but it was associated with a slight increase in them. According to the study, “[T]he trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.
Now show us the correlation between % of population who is vaccinated and number of tests administered per capita!
The Clown Show wrote:
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/vaccine-mandate-covering-84-million-workers-124503548.htmlTick tick tick
Not so fast Clown Show:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/senate-republicans-formally-disapprove-nullify-biden-vaccine-mandate-private-employees.ampLet's hear it for Florida!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/weartv.com/amp/news/local/gop-lawmakers-prepare-to-fight-against-vaccine-mandateLet's get ready to rumble!
I haven’t read this thread but I’m sure at this point it’s about five posters who are terrified of the vaccine still. It’s not even worth debating anymore. The verdict is out. Get vaxxed you dirt bags I have people I need to put back in the office.
[quote]2600 bro wrote:
We discussed this paper over a week ago. Keep up!
In other words, you got nothing.
Worth repeating:
Using data from Our World in Data for cross-country analysis, and the White House COVID-19 Team data for U.S. counties, the researchers investigated the relationship between new COVID-19 cases and the percentage of the population that had been fully vaccinated. Sixty-eight countries were included, among which they found “no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last seven days.”
Not only did vaccination not decrease the number of new COVID-19 cases, but it was associated with a slight increase in them. According to the study, “[T]he trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.
formerly present wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
Worth repeating:
Using data from Our World in Data for cross-country analysis, and the White House COVID-19 Team data for U.S. counties, the researchers investigated the relationship between new COVID-19 cases and the percentage of the population that had been fully vaccinated. Sixty-eight countries were included, among which they found “no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last seven days.”
That one was dismantled a while back. Try to keep up.
BTW the word is "discernible."
discernable
adjective
Detectable or derivable by use of the senses or the intellect.
perceptible by the senses or intellect
How do you dismantle the following?
Using data from Our World in Data for cross-country analysis, and the White House COVID-19 Team data for U.S. counties, the researchers investigated the relationship between new COVID-19 cases and the percentage of the population that had been fully vaccinated. Sixty-eight countries were included, among which they found “no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last seven days.”
Not only did vaccination not decrease the number of new COVID-19 cases, but it was associated with a slight increase in them. According to the study, “[T]he trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.
carmine9 wrote:
formerly present wrote:
BTW the word is "discernible."
discernable
adjective
Detectable or derivable by use of the senses or the intellect.
perceptible by the senses or intellect.
dis·cern·i·ble /diˈsərnəb(ə)l/ adjective
able to be discerned; perceptible.
"the scandal had no discernible effect on his career"
"Granted, a few dictionaries charitably list 'discernable' as an alternate spelling, but the Oxford English Dictionary describes it as a 16th-to-18th-century variant."
https://afterdeadline.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/Enter both spellings into Google and -ible gets more than three times as many hits.Vox populi, vox Dei.
2600 bro wrote:
We discussed this paper over a week ago. Keep up!
Deaths way way down in hax vax places, hospitalizations way way down, chances of getting COVID way way down. Looking at country wide dynamics is very confounded due to regional heterogeneity and Delta prevalence. Remember you were 7X less like to get COVID in the us if you were vaccinated at the peak of the Delta wave.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-statusAnd the hospitalizations graph is... remarkable:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#covidnet-hospitalizations-vaccinationcarmine9 wrote:
Using data from Our World in Data for cross-country analysis, and the White House COVID-19 Team data for U.S. counties, the researchers investigated the relationship between new COVID-19 cases and the percentage of the population that had been fully vaccinated. Sixty-eight countries were included, among which they found “no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last seven days.”
Not only did vaccination not decrease the number of new COVID-19 cases, but it was associated with a slight increase in them. According to the study, “[T]he trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.
Over email, Subramanian insisted that the positive effects of vaccines are not in doubt: “Other research has clearly and definitively established that the vaccines significantly reduce the risk of hospitalization and mortality.”
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/10/subramanian-harvard-covid-vaccines/And, at the risk of repetition: "Sure, because--as others have pointed out--a 'case' is just a positive test for the virus, and people who are conscientious enough to get vaccinated are more likely to get themselves tested as well.
"By contrast, the unvaccinated tend to buy the Nonparticipant Package Deal: no vax, no mask, no test (until/unless they get to an emergency room). Since testing is uneven across populations, 'cases' is a nearly meaningless stat.
https://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=10805774&t=1636045362&page=159carmine9 wrote:
How do you dismantle the following?
Using data from Our World in Data for cross-country analysis, and the White House COVID-19 Team data for U.S. counties, the researchers investigated the relationship between new COVID-19 cases and the percentage of the population that had been fully vaccinated. Sixty-eight countries were included, among which they found “no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last seven days.”
Not only did vaccination not decrease the number of new COVID-19 cases, but it was associated with a slight increase in them. According to the study, “[T]he trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.
The authors of that paper used shoddy, incomplete analyses. The paper is basically garbage and there is plenty of data suggesting a strong correlation between vax% and COVID impact.
See a take down here:
https://twitter.com/kmpanthagani/status/1455279622321545227Note this was discussed 4 pages ago. Try and keep up.
Denier-fearmongers only ever have one horse to beat at a time and it's hilarious to see them flail around with their crappy "studies."
Bullet_Proof wrote:
I don't know man, if you can't prove that an individual, specific person killed someone else by choosing to stay healthy and not get vaccinated, then you can't deny them medical care.
Medical care triage should be based on need not on spur-of-the-moment moral judgements.
If we follow your logic, then people who smoke, or have become fat because of consecutive poor choices, then we should deny them medical care. And since there are a lot of disgusting fat people crowding our healthcare system, we can safely deny them care in favor or more respectable and noble citizens such as yourself. That is, if we follow your logic.
It is actually illegal to deny care to people in an emergency situation. Illegal aliens take advantage of this all the time. (By the way, honest question: in your view, if an unvaccinated illegal immigrant needs to go to the emergency room because they are dying of covid, would you deny them care? Should we deny them care? What about unvaccinated people living in America who speak english as a second language and can barely understand whats going on right now and have to go to the emergency room?)
Since you seem to have all the answers, would love to hear how your authoritarian system of determining who gets medical care and who doesn't plays out.
There is no evidence that smokers or the obese have ever caused a surge in medical care consumption comparable to the unvaxxed did in August! These hypothetical are meaningless because they simply are not comparable!
I totally agree that we should never be denying -anyone- medical care they need, but the fact remains that innocent Americans WERE denied medical care due to antivaxxer over-use of emergency resources. What is the recourse there?
It seems we are aligned: we should not be denying medical care to the unvaxxed. Therefore the ONLY way to ensure we don't see the unvaxxed consuming all essential medical resources again is a vaccine mandate.
Good talk, and I'm glad we can finally see eye to eye!
formerly present wrote:
carmine9 wrote:
discernable
adjective
Detectable or derivable by use of the senses or the intellect.
perceptible by the senses or intellect.
dis·cern·i·ble /diˈsərnəb(ə)l/ adjective
able to be discerned; perceptible.
"the scandal had no discernible effect on his career"
"Granted, a few dictionaries charitably list 'discernable' as an alternate spelling, but the Oxford English Dictionary describes it as a 16th-to-18th-century variant."
https://afterdeadline.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/01/Enter both spellings into Google and -ible gets more than three times as many hits.Vox populi, vox Dei.
So what?
I did not spell the word and the way the word was spelled is legit.
What's wrong with you?
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