You are discussing the subject over and over again in this forum, so you are obviously interested .
So far I have just seen one explanation from you for the Kenyan (mainly Kalenjin!) success: doping.
There are many positives from Kenya, especially recently. And I have no doubt there are much more Kenyan runners who dope. But for sure this no. can't exceed the no. of non East African dopers - it can't come close to it. "doping" can't explain the astonishing Marathon statistics.
For sure there are many reasons for this enormous success from such a small group. You don't even want to think about it because you are completely blinded by your hate and your narrow-mindedness.
Your contribution to this forum is extremely negative.
I can discuss the subject of the thread. But not with someone who has nothing worth considering.
You are discussing the subject over and over again in this forum, so you are obviously interested .
So far I have just seen one explanation from you for the Kenyan (mainly Kalenjin!) success: doping.
There are many positives from Kenya, especially recently. And I have no doubt there are much more Kenyan runners who dope. But for sure this no. can't exceed the no. of non East African dopers - it can't come close to it. "doping" can't explain the astonishing Marathon statistics.
For sure there are many reasons for this enormous success from such a small group. You don't even want to think about it because you are completely blinded by your hate and your narrow-mindedness.
Your contribution to this forum is extremely negative.
I can discuss the subject of the thread. But not with someone who has nothing worth considering.
Is "doping" the only explanation for the astonishing Marathon statistics? When a group of a few millions outperforms a group of billions by big margin? And doping is a global thing.
"Doping" also wasn't the only explanation for the enormous sporting success of the GDR. One of the most advanced countries at the time started a state organized program with the only goal to get medals. This included searching talents in Kindergarten and starting to train profesionally at a very young age. This was unique at the time. They had one or two top athletes in each discipline. The situation is not comparable to the current one in Kenya.
Both can't be explained by just "doping". Children can think farther.
Comparisons with Russia don't favour Kenya. This report from AFP in November:-
The problem is not new -- the athletics powerhouse has been in the top category of the World Anti-Doping Association's (WADA) compliance watch list since February 2016.
"Right now we're in the intensive care unit," said Athletics Kenya official Barnabas Korir, warning the country was moving precariously close to joining Russia as a sporting pariah.
"At this rate Kenya may not survive this year. The writing is on the wall: Kenya is facing a ban and its athletes will not be able to compete internationally," Korir told AFP.
When Kenyan Athletics says the extent of the country's doping issues put it "in the intensive care unit," talking about the "natural talent" of its athletes is farcical.
When Kenyan Athletics says the extent of the country's doping issues put it "in the intensive care unit," talking about the "natural talent" of its athletes is farcical.
Kenyans have had great success from their first international appearance. There obviously are very favourable all-round conditions to have running success.
When Kenyan Athletics says the extent of the country's doping issues put it "in the intensive care unit," talking about the "natural talent" of its athletes is farcical.
Kenyans have had great success from their first international appearance. There obviously are very favourable all-round conditions to have running success.
That is the thing that is so fascinating about this topic. The Kenyan authorities are publicly admitting the extent of the problem, Kenya was thisclose to a ban, yet certain apologists are still desperately clinging to this genetics fetish to avoid confronting to issue.
That is the thing that is so fascinating about this topic. The Kenyan authorities are publicly admitting the extent of the problem, Kenya was thisclose to a ban, yet certain apologists are still desperately clinging to this genetics fetish to avoid confronting to issue.
You are the only one who constantly brings genetics into this discussion, Coevett.
That is the thing that is so fascinating about this topic. The Kenyan authorities are publicly admitting the extent of the problem, Kenya was thisclose to a ban, yet certain apologists are still desperately clinging to this genetics fetish to avoid confronting to issue.
You are the only one who constantly brings genetics into this discussion, Coevett.
So the Kenyans don't have a natural superiority after all?
You are the only one who constantly brings genetics into this discussion, Coevett.
So the Kenyans don't have a natural superiority after all?
When Kenyans started to compete internationally in the mid 1950s, they immediately have had success at the highest calibre - Nyandika Maiyoro 6th at 5000m at the 1956 Olympics. Just 4 nations could place a runner ahead of him. No one from the US, from Germany, from Italy, from Finland and so on - despite competing since decades.
Kip Keino set the 5000m WR in 1965 (with a time better than the NRs of 27 of the 54 African nations TODAY). The Liberian (population similar to the Kalenjins) NR today is 15:28.5.
And just 7 African nations today have a better 3000m NR than Keino's 1965 mark.
It's obvious to anybody not blinded by some nationalistic bias and probably pure hate that this just can be the result of a variety of reasons (discussed since decades).
I don't know which part "genetics" have in this puzzle, but I know that doping can't be the main factor.
So the Kenyans don't have a natural superiority after all?
When Kenyans started to compete internationally in the mid 1950s, they immediately have had success at the highest calibre - Nyandika Maiyoro 6th at 5000m at the 1956 Olympics. Just 4 nations could place a runner ahead of him. No one from the US, from Germany, from Italy, from Finland and so on - despite competing since decades.
Kip Keino set the 5000m WR in 1965 (with a time better than the NRs of 27 of the 54 African nations TODAY). The Liberian (population similar to the Kalenjins) NR today is 15:28.5.
And just 7 African nations today have a better 3000m NR than Keino's 1965 mark.
It's obvious to anybody not blinded by some nationalistic bias and probably pure hate that this just can be the result of a variety of reasons (discussed since decades).
I don't know which part "genetics" have in this puzzle, but I know that doping can't be the main factor.
No, you don't know that. Nor do you know how much a role genetics play when doping can't be separated from their achievements. That is the same with any doper.
You are the only one who constantly brings genetics into this discussion, Coevett.
So the Kenyans don't have a natural superiority after all?
You might be familiar with the story of the Robertson twins, Zane and Jake, national record holders in events from 10K to the marathon. They moved to Iten, Kenya in 2006, and after about 8 or so years of training at altitude, started breaking national records, some set by Lydiard legends Dick Quax and Rod Dixon.
Worth pointing out again that before 1992 (the widely agreed year when EPO started to become widely used in distance running) no Kenyan had ran under 2:09.
Within 10 years, 42 Kenyans had run under 2:09, and within 15 years 97 Kenyans had ran under 2:09. Currently 385 Kenyans have run under 2:09.
When Kenyans started to compete internationally in the mid 1950s, they immediately have had success at the highest calibre - Nyandika Maiyoro 6th at 5000m at the 1956 Olympics. Just 4 nations could place a runner ahead of him. No one from the US, from Germany, from Italy, from Finland and so on - despite competing since decades.
Kip Keino set the 5000m WR in 1965 (with a time better than the NRs of 27 of the 54 African nations TODAY). The Liberian (population similar to the Kalenjins) NR today is 15:28.5.
And just 7 African nations today have a better 3000m NR than Keino's 1965 mark.
It's obvious to anybody not blinded by some nationalistic bias and probably pure hate that this just can be the result of a variety of reasons (discussed since decades).
I don't know which part "genetics" have in this puzzle, but I know that doping can't be the main factor.
No, you don't know that. Nor do you know how much a role genetics play when doping can't be separated from their achievements. That is the same with any doper.
So, which sort of doping has enabled Nyandika Maiyoro to finish 7th in the Olympic Games in 1956? EPO? Blood doping? Steroids?
Or was it maybe just a combination of the various reasons which are discussed since decades?
Worth pointing out again that before 1992 (the widely agreed year when EPO started to become widely used in distance running) no Kenyan had ran under 2:09.
Within 10 years, 42 Kenyans had run under 2:09, and within 15 years 97 Kenyans had ran under 2:09. Currently 385 Kenyans have run under 2:09.
Including Boston its 34 Kenyans, not 42. But only 24% difference for you actually is pretty good.
So, was Douglas Wakihuri clean when running 2:09:03 and when he became the 87 world champion?
So the Kenyans don't have a natural superiority after all?
You might be familiar with the story of the Robertson twins, Zane and Jake, national record holders in events from 10K to the marathon. They moved to Iten, Kenya in 2006, and after about 8 or so years of training at altitude, started breaking national records, some set by Lydiard legends Dick Quax and Rod Dixon.
What do you reckon? Was it doping or genetics?
It could easily be both - as it apparently is with most Kenyan runners now. It likely won't be just altitude-training.