Transgender athletes wins CT state champs for school

Yes, sounds like you don’t dispute the factualness of what I actually said but just have some perfunctory tautological observation.

Someone with a Y chromosome will never be a woman.

So you are saying that you are okay with some unfairness due to biological advantages, but not all. I'm saying that I have no problem with it in any situation really.

If a guy has such a freakish biological advantage that he can run 23:37, then he runs 23:37. I don't see why that should be considered an argument against trans athletes running in races.

I wish I could share your confidence that "the people with power are working... to clean up this problem."

I believe that people in power in some of the world's major sports governing bodies like World Athletics, World Rugby, World Aquatics, and people with power in some US states - and in some countries such as the UK - have been working "to clean up this problem."

But I don't believe this can be said for the people with the power in US states like Connecticut and California, the White House and US federal excutive branch of government, the present-day US Democratic party, the major supposedly "left leaning" politcal parties in the rest of the world like UK Labour and the SNP, the teaching professsion, most colleges and univerisities, and all of the world's sports governing bodies..

I say this as someone who has resided part-time in CT for more than 20 years and now votes there, and for decades contributed money to the Democratic Party and many of its politicians. I'm one of a group of people - women mainly, but some men, most of us socially and politically "liberal," and some of us LGB and/or with kids who are LGB and/or have adopted novel gender identities - who for the past 5 years have been lobbying CT politicians, their staffs and the other powers-that-be in the state about "this problem" - and specifically about the demonstrated unfairness of the CIAC rules and other state regulations for female students. And none of the people in power seem willing to budge an inch.

The response we get is just stonewalling, pretending to give us a hearing whilst staring into the distance, and sending us form letters and policy papers chock full of boilerplate blather about "LGBTQ+ equality," and slogans and mantras ("trans girls are girls," "trans people are who they say they are," "trans rights are human rights," "trans people are the most marginalized and vulnerable," "trans people are subject to more bullying, worse discrimination and more mistreatment than anyone else"). These stock phrases and sentences are meant to silence and stop any mention of the fact that there are clear conflicts between women's and girls' hard-won rights and many of the things being demanded in the name of "trans rights" recent years. Such as the supposed "right" of males to compete in girls' school sports and use girls' and women's locker rooms and toilets so long as the males make certain claims about gender identity.

It's not a coincidence that as POTUS, Joe Biden selected former Connecticut state commisssioner of education Miguel Cardona to be US Secretary of Education. Cardona gives lip service to fairness and safety for all, but in cases where there's a clear conflict between the rights of female students and male students who have or claim to have trans gender identities - as has happened in CT in the cases track athletes Terrry Miller, Andraya Yearwood and now Redmond Sullivan - Cardona's own track record in CT politics and now in Washintgton DC show his main sympathies and support are with the trans-identifed males:

I don’t know if your English is weak or you have a reading disability or attention deficit or what coz I already agreed with what you said (in my post you quote above) and you didn’t dispute the factualness of what I said.

This is getting boring, honey.

What if someone’s riding a bike but identifies as running? Why isn’t that valid?

A "possessor of Y chromosomes" is usually called a man. Did you have something else in mind?

I trust you know the answer to this yourself. If you can't answer this on your own, then I don't think you are ready to answer real questions that have to do with this actual issue. Wish you luck, I guess.

If they identify as a runner, they are a runner.

For the sake of accuracy: most men have only one Y chromosome and thus are known as 46,XY. There are males who have one, two or three extra Y chromosomes - as in 47, XYY; 48, XYYY and 49,XYYYY - but those male karyotpes occur very rarely.

I disagree with you.

So just we are keeping track of how we feel about things:

I believe that transgender athletes should be allowed to run in the category that matches their gender identity. I do not think that people should be allowed to ride bikes in track races.

You believe that athletes should only run in categories that match their birth-assigned sex. You also believe that people should be able to ride bikes in track races.

Do I have that correct?

Earlier in the thread, you stated that a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman.

So why isn't a runner anyone who identifies as a runner?

I have my money on Toonces to win the women’s 5000 in Paris.

Toonces May actually be a female, so not such a controversial pick, but the cat and driving thing will need to be ruled fair.

I am glad to see that you agree that women can be born with XY chromosomes, as women with Disorders of Sexual Development are eligible to compete in the female category as long as they "maintain the concentration of testosterone in their serum below 2.5 nmol/L, and cooperate fully with World Athletics’ efforts to monitor the concentration of testosterone in their serum," and transgender women are also eligible to compete in the female category as long as "they have not experienced any part of male puberty either beyond Tanner Stage 2 or after age 12 (whichever comes first). Since puberty they must have continuously maintained the concentration of testosterone in their serum below 2.5 nmol/L and they must continue to maintain the concentration of testosterone in their serum below 2.5 nmol/L at all times."

It seems that you agree that transgender women are women, and intersex women who identify as women are also women.

Biologically, Semenya is not a woman. I don't think her times should be counted, but her case is far different than - just as one example - the two biological males in the 1600 in California.

I identify as a runner. It is part of my personality. It does some of the job of defining who I am as a unique individual.

I am a runner even when I am not performing the action of running. Just like I am a dad even when I am away from my kids and not actively parenting them.

When I am riding a bike, I am still a runner. But it is my personal belief that I should not be allowed to ride a bike in a track race.

When someone identifies as a woman, they are women all the time. They are women when they wake up, when they eat breakfast, etc. When they run a race, guess what? They are women.

I can't believe that you genuinely are not able to come to these conclusions without me holding your hand through all of it.

Why shouldn't you be allowed to ride your bike in a track meet if you identify as running?

You don't identify as "running." Running is a verb.