Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

Sally Vix wrote:

hunter wheres the blow wrote:

Why is it elitist?

Flagpole- why do you call it "loan forgiveness?' The loan is not being forgiven. It is simply being transferred from the person who entered into a legal and binding agreement and benefited from that agreement to some schmucks (i.e., American taxpayers) who had nothing to do with the loan and are now being forced to pay for the debt owed by the deadbeats. Probably the same deadbeats who excoriate Greg for getting a government handout. Most of the taxpayers paying for it are low-income individuals who never went to college or the responsible people who paid off their student debt. Just a shame to pass this debt from the deadbeats to those who wanted no part of a student loan.

agip wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

Flagpole- why do you call it "loan forgiveness?' The loan is not being forgiven. It is simply being transferred from the person who entered into a legal and binding agreement and benefited from that agreement to some schmucks (i.e., American taxpayers) who had nothing to do with the loan and are now being forced to pay for the debt owed by the deadbeats. Probably the same deadbeats who excoriate Greg for getting a government handout. Most of the taxpayers paying for it are low-income individuals who never went to college or the responsible people who paid off their student debt. Just a shame to pass this debt from the deadbeats to those who wanted no part of a student loan.

dude flagpole is agreeing with you. Just nod, smile and say 'glad we can agree on this FP'

Flagpole wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

Flagpole- why do you call it "loan forgiveness?' The loan is not being forgiven. It is simply being transferred from the person who entered into a legal and binding agreement and benefited from that agreement to some schmucks (i.e., American taxpayers) who had nothing to do with the loan and are now being forced to pay for the debt owed by the deadbeats. Probably the same deadbeats who excoriate Greg for getting a government handout. Most of the taxpayers paying for it are low-income individuals who never went to college or the responsible people who paid off their student debt. Just a shame to pass this debt from the deadbeats to those who wanted no part of a student loan.

Don't be pedantic.

Newname wrote:

agip wrote:

never heard of mosby

GOP Crime Blotter

here's yet more right wing violence being prosecuted. From 1/6/21. Maybe you remember it.

DOJ seeks 18 months in prison for John Thomas Gordon, who had quite the arm as "a former semi-professional baseball player with a long, violent criminal history."

"Gordon yelled 'F**ck D.C.' and began repeatedly throwing a round, softball size, hard object that may have been a rock..."

He threw a softball and swore. Wow

Meanwhile one of the cops shot an unarmed women protester who was a vet to death.

Flagpole wrote:

agip wrote:

dude flagpole is agreeing with you. Just nod, smile and say 'glad we can agree on this FP'

CORRECT!

The reason we agree though is that Sally is one of those "Team only" members who doesn't think critically, so when I move away from a stated liberal opinion, we end up agreeing. It could NEVER happen in the other direction.

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

Don't be pedantic.

It's not pedantic at all. People don't seem to understand that the government does not have any money.

It either steals the money from people or it prints it out of thin air... which reduces the value of the money the people have.

Democrats injected the federal government into the student loan business. An 18 year couldn't borrow tens of thousands of dollars before they did this so schools couldn't charge tens of thousands of dollars for a degree.

Now, the school can charge whatever they want at ZERO risk because the government assumes the debt. So they do.

Democrats created the problem. Now they swoop in pretending that government is the solution to the problem they created.

Sally Vix wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

CORRECT!

The reason we agree though is that Sally is one of those "Team only" members who doesn't think critically, so when I move away from a stated liberal opinion, we end up agreeing. It could NEVER happen in the other direction.

The only "team" I am part of is Team USA - I want to do what is best for the country.

Flagpole wrote:

Newname wrote:

He threw a softball and swore. Wow

Meanwhile one of the cops shot an unarmed women protester who was a vet to death.

You are f*cked in the head. She deserved what she got. She refused a lawful order. That police officer was sworn to protect the premises and the members inside. He had no way of knowing if she was armed or strapped with explosives or what. Just comply, right?

hunter wheres the blow wrote:

Double Threshold wrote:

Only about 1/3 of Americans have a college degree. And the rates aren't that different among young people, and among Democrats. It's a handout to a relatively well-off minority.

I don’t know the specifics of the forgiveness, but I would assume it would also help those who have loans without college degrees. I have a few friends who didn’t make it through college who still have loans that could really be helped.

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

You are correct that Biden wins (especially with Democrats) either way and that Biden knows this, but I don't like politics being handled like that. Ideally, politics should be about helping the citizenry, and NOTHING else. I understand it's not that way, and it's the main thing I hate about politics (and I think most people feel that way), but I always hope for the ideal.

The people that think government is a piggy bank that owes them something for simply being alive were already voting Democrat.

Stealing money from citizen A to pay for citizen B's stupidity doesn't "help the citizenry".

agip wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

The people that think government is a piggy bank that owes them something for simply being alive were already voting Democrat.

Stealing money from citizen A to pay for citizen B's stupidity doesn't "help the citizenry".

Ah a guy from heavily subsidized red America chimes in with his views on self-sufficiency. Thanks!

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

agip wrote:

Ah a guy from heavily subsidized red America chimes in with his views on self-sufficiency. Thanks!

1. You have no idea where I'm from.

2. Intelligent people understand that California is more successful than a place like Oklahoma because of geography not politics.

California was still the highest earning state when it was deep red.

The south was still the poorest when it was deep blue.

Flagpole wrote:

hunter wheres the blow wrote:

I don’t know the specifics of the forgiveness, but I would assume it would also help those who have loans without college degrees. I have a few friends who didn’t make it through college who still have loans that could really be helped.

Yes, it would help those who didn't get the degree but took out college loans. MOST of those helped though would be graduates. This measure completely leaves out anyone who didn't even attempt college. It's elitist. I am ALSO elitist, but I don't make sweeping decisions that spend hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars that only help the higher earners in our society.

agip wrote:

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

1. You have no idea where I'm from.

2. Intelligent people understand that California is more successful than a place like Oklahoma because of geography not politics.

California was still the highest earning state when it was deep red.

The south was still the poorest when it was deep blue.

So disingenuous. The South was always right wing. You know this, don’t insult yourself with idiotic statements like that. Have some pride.

anyway, Trumplandia is heavily subsidized by rich Bidenites and you know that too.

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

agip wrote:

Ah a guy from heavily subsidized red America chimes in with his views on self-sufficiency. Thanks!

1. You have no idea where I'm from.

2. Intelligent people understand that California is more successful than a place like Oklahoma because of geography not politics.

California was still the highest earning state when it was deep red.

The south was still the poorest when it was deep blue.