Official LRC President Joseph R Biden Thread

nonequals wrote:

Mick Joggerrr wrote:

I don't understand how right wingers can watch this stuff and not realize they are being played with Fox Agitprop.

Remember Fox's formula every night remains the same:

1. Feed viewer grievances.

2. Make the viewer angry

3. scare the sh!t out of them with pure unadulterated BS

(Rinse, repeat, over and over)

Exhibit A

Ingraham:

"They want us to live in smaller spaces, ditch our gas appliances, and ditch our automobiles. They want to reverse almost all the progress we've enjoyed since the end of World War II. And cram us into congested cities and force us to use beijing-style bike lanes"

Agreed, but I think that it's the SECOND step that's so mind-bending and so disappointing. It's one thing to constantly rile people up about what they don't like about the "other side." And in fact, SOME of it will be accurate. They really do want some things you don't. And go far enough to the other side, and you'll find a few people who match the hyperbole. Like, you CAN find some folks in S.F., NYC, etc. who are ACTUALLY the "they" above. But that's ALWAYS been the case. But yeah, the degree of demonization is worse.

But the SECOND part is still the BIGGIE:

"Dear Fox viewers, BECAUSE OF this stuff on the left, you should support an autocrat. Be OK with strenuously and persistently disputing clear election results. Be OK with a guy who lies to you almost literally every time he opens his mouth. Sides with Putin, asks for votes, shakes down foreign leaders, demonizes federal enforcement (and our long-standing allies), largely didn't give a sh** about a pandemic that killed 100Ks, etc., etc., etc."

THAT, to me, is the really horrendous thing about red America. Don't like libs? GOT. IT. Want to get rid of democracy and a few dozen norms you've always CLAIMED (and STILL claim) to care about JUST, apparently, to get the libs? My god. Shameful and destructive.

agip wrote:

nonequals wrote:

Agreed, but I think that it's the SECOND step that's so mind-bending and so disappointing. It's one thing to constantly rile people up about what they don't like about the "other side." And in fact, SOME of it will be accurate. They really do want some things you don't. And go far enough to the other side, and you'll find a few people who match the hyperbole. Like, you CAN find some folks in S.F., NYC, etc. who are ACTUALLY the "they" above. But that's ALWAYS been the case. But yeah, the degree of demonization is worse.

But the SECOND part is still the BIGGIE:

"Dear Fox viewers, BECAUSE OF this stuff on the left, you should support an autocrat. Be OK with strenuously and persistently disputing clear election results. Be OK with a guy who lies to you almost literally every time he opens his mouth. Sides with Putin, asks for votes, shakes down foreign leaders, demonizes federal enforcement (and our long-standing allies), largely didn't give a sh** about a pandemic that killed 100Ks, etc., etc., etc."

THAT, to me, is the really horrendous thing about red America. Don't like libs? GOT. IT. Want to get rid of democracy and a few dozen norms you've always CLAIMED (and STILL claim) to care about JUST, apparently, to get the libs? My god. Shameful and destructive.

look, if you felt 'liberals' were communists and out to take your guns and bibles from you while dressing your boys in dresses and saying men can have babies...you'd want them defeated at all costs too.

The problems are the pervasiveness and effectiveness of right wing media and the weak response of the Dems. Dems don't really believe that the morans really think this stuff....but they do. Dems need to step it up and find a way to counter the R propaganda. It's hard....hating the Ds makes the rural oldsters feel alive like nothing else. Hard to take that away from them.

nonequals wrote:

agip wrote:

look, if you felt 'liberals' were communists and out to take your guns and bibles from you while dressing your boys in dresses and saying men can have babies...you'd want them defeated at all costs too.

The problems are the pervasiveness and effectiveness of right wing media and the weak response of the Dems. Dems don't really believe that the morans really think this stuff....but they do. Dems need to step it up and find a way to counter the R propaganda. It's hard....hating the Ds makes the rural oldsters feel alive like nothing else. Hard to take that away from them.

I mostly don't agree. SOME of the issues might fall into the "defeat at all costs" category. Guns, religion, maybe abortion (in fact, most defensibly, abortion). But most don't. It seems that it's a simple failure of critical thinking skills to overcome tribal emotion.

I really don't think that your average well-educated R REALLY thinks that transgender bathrooms are more important than democracy. Or the plus/minus on illegal aliens flow. Or Hunter's laptop. Etc. But SOMEHOW, they add up all the trivial things (that Fox screams about) - and a few big ones - and come out on the side of Trump (enthusiastically, or not, it largely doesn't matter).

I simply cannot blame a TON of the problem on Fox. Or the D response. It's on the head of EVERY American who doesn't wake up to their own idiocy.

And what can I or you do about? Got me.

nonequals wrote:

nonequals wrote:

I mostly don't agree. SOME of the issues might fall into the "defeat at all costs" category. Guns, religion, maybe abortion (in fact, most defensibly, abortion). But most don't. It seems that it's a simple failure of critical thinking skills to overcome tribal emotion.

I really don't think that your average well-educated R REALLY thinks that transgender bathrooms are more important than democracy. Or the plus/minus on illegal aliens flow. Or Hunter's laptop. Etc. But SOMEHOW, they add up all the trivial things (that Fox screams about) - and a few big ones - and come out on the side of Trump (enthusiastically, or not, it largely doesn't matter).

I simply cannot blame a TON of the problem on Fox. Or the D response. It's on the head of EVERY American who doesn't wake up to their own idiocy.

And what can I or you do about? Got me.

And to be just a bit quantitative and electoral about it: You're probably be right to say that I might be giving too much credit to the "rural oldsters." At the risk of being horribly elite, yes, a ton of them DON'T have the critical thinking skills to overcome Fox.

BUT, just about EVERY elected R does. The quotes when Trump was candidate. The quotes around Jan 6. We know.

And millions of educated/intelligent Rs DO have the ability to (easily) see through the Fox viewpoint. But they don't. Tribalism and "my team" wins out.

If the last 2 groups above "did the right/smart thing," the rural oldsters wouldn't matter. Unfortunately, the latter 2 groups are enabling the pathetic first group. To the great detriment of our country.

Sally Vix wrote:

nonequals wrote:

And to be just a bit quantitative and electoral about it: You're probably be right to say that I might be giving too much credit to the "rural oldsters." At the risk of being horribly elite, yes, a ton of them DON'T have the critical thinking skills to overcome Fox.

BUT, just about EVERY elected R does. The quotes when Trump was candidate. The quotes around Jan 6. We know.

And millions of educated/intelligent Rs DO have the ability to (easily) see through the Fox viewpoint. But they don't. Tribalism and "my team" wins out.

If the last 2 groups above "did the right/smart thing," the rural oldsters wouldn't matter. Unfortunately, the latter 2 groups are enabling the pathetic first group. To the great detriment of our country.

You guys can go on and on labelling conservatives as rubes and country bumkins who are not smart enough to see through the disinformation and misinformation that is Fox News. But take a gander at what passes for news on MSNBC. Besides the Tyre Nichols story, pretty much every item on the first page of MSNBC is a negative one on Repubs/Conservatives. This is where you guys get your news and you laughably don't understand how biased mainstream media is. Not one unbiased story on the front page. Every article is a slam on conservatives. Not one negative or unbiased on Liberals.

Link:www.msnbc.com/

nonequals wrote:

nonequals wrote:

I mostly don't agree. SOME of the issues might fall into the "defeat at all costs" category. Guns, religion, maybe abortion (in fact, most defensibly, abortion). But most don't. It seems that it's a simple failure of critical thinking skills to overcome tribal emotion.

I really don't think that your average well-educated R REALLY thinks that transgender bathrooms are more important than democracy. Or the plus/minus on illegal aliens flow. Or Hunter's laptop. Etc. But SOMEHOW, they add up all the trivial things (that Fox screams about) - and a few big ones - and come out on the side of Trump (enthusiastically, or not, it largely doesn't matter).

I simply cannot blame a TON of the problem on Fox. Or the D response. It's on the head of EVERY American who doesn't wake up to their own idiocy.

And what can I or you do about? Got me.

And to be just a bit quantitative and electoral about it: You're probably be right to say that I might be giving too much credit to the "rural oldsters." At the risk of being horribly elite, yes, a ton of them DON'T have the critical thinking skills to overcome Fox.

BUT, just about EVERY elected R does. The quotes when Trump was candidate. The quotes around Jan 6. We know.

And millions of educated/intelligent Rs DO have the ability to (easily) see through the Fox viewpoint. But they don't. Tribalism and "my team" wins out.

If the last 2 groups above "did the right/smart thing," the rural oldsters wouldn't matter. Unfortunately, the latter 2 groups are enabling the pathetic first group. To the great detriment of our country.

nonequals wrote:

nonequals wrote:

I mostly don't agree. SOME of the issues might fall into the "defeat at all costs" category. Guns, religion, maybe abortion (in fact, most defensibly, abortion). But most don't. It seems that it's a simple failure of critical thinking skills to overcome tribal emotion.

I really don't think that your average well-educated R REALLY thinks that transgender bathrooms are more important than democracy. Or the plus/minus on illegal aliens flow. Or Hunter's laptop. Etc. But SOMEHOW, they add up all the trivial things (that Fox screams about) - and a few big ones - and come out on the side of Trump (enthusiastically, or not, it largely doesn't matter).

I simply cannot blame a TON of the problem on Fox. Or the D response. It's on the head of EVERY American who doesn't wake up to their own idiocy.

And what can I or you do about? Got me.

And to be just a bit quantitative and electoral about it: You're probably be right to say that I might be giving too much credit to the "rural oldsters." At the risk of being horribly elite, yes, a ton of them DON'T have the critical thinking skills to overcome Fox.

BUT, just about EVERY elected R does. The quotes when Trump was candidate. The quotes around Jan 6. We know.

And millions of educated/intelligent Rs DO have the ability to (easily) see through the Fox viewpoint. But they don't. Tribalism and "my team" wins out.

If the last 2 groups above "did the right/smart thing," the rural oldsters wouldn't matter. Unfortunately, the latter 2 groups are enabling the pathetic first group. To the great detriment of our country.

nonequals wrote:

Sally Vix wrote:

You guys can go on and on labelling conservatives as rubes and country bumkins who are not smart enough to see through the disinformation and misinformation that is Fox News. But take a gander at what passes for news on MSNBC. Besides the Tyre Nichols story, pretty much every item on the first page of MSNBC is a negative one on Repubs/Conservatives. This is where you guys get your news and you laughably don't understand how biased mainstream media is. Not one unbiased story on the front page. Every article is a slam on conservatives. Not one negative or unbiased on Liberals.

Link:www.msnbc.com/

Like usual, Sally, you actually or pretend-like miss the point. Pretty much all of the R politicians you currently cheer on against the libs at one time have stated that they hate what Trump stands for. But now they pretend not to in order for morans like you to vote for them. And you do. THEY are not rubes and country bumpkins. Just unprincipled POSs. YOU are the rube who they snow over and over again.

The existence of liberals and liberal journalists in the world has NOTHING to do with the dynamic above.

Sally Vix wrote:

nonequals wrote:

Like usual, Sally, you actually or pretend-like miss the point. Pretty much all of the R politicians you currently cheer on against the libs at one time have stated that they hate what Trump stands for. But now they pretend not to in order for morans like you to vote for them. And you do. THEY are not rubes and country bumpkins. Just unprincipled POSs. YOU are the rube who they snow over and over again.

The existence of liberals and liberal journalists in the world has NOTHING to do with the dynamic above.

I have 2 options. I can vote Democrat or I can vote Republican (actually 3 as I can vote Indy). Those are my only 2 options. With Biden as president and Dems controlling both houses, you guys can almost do anything you want. You guys have royally screwed up the country the last 2 years. No way in heck did I want that situation to continue for another 2 years. We would have had 12% inflation if Manchin had not voted against the $6 trillion spending bill. Do I really want Pelosi as speaker or political hacks like Schiff and others leading committees in the House. Again, the last 2 years have been disastrous for the country.

agip wrote:

I'll try again.

GOP Crime Blotter

A Navy reservist charged in connection with the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol was convicted by a jury Wednesday of possessing three unregistered firearms silencers in a separate case.
Hatchet M. Speed, a reserve petty officer in the Navy who had a top-secret security clearance, faces up to 30 years in prison when he is sentenced April 13 in federal court in Alexandria, Va., but his term is likely to be shorter because he has no prior criminal record. Courtney S. Dixon, one of his public defenders, said Speed plans to appeal his conviction.

Speed was investigated by the FBI for more than a year after U.S. authorities say he breached the Capitol with the Proud Boys extremist group during the Jan. 6, 2021, attack. He has pleaded not guilty to charges stemming from the attack. That trial is set to begin next month.

El Runkin wrote:

agip wrote:

I'll try again.

GOP Crime Blotter

A Navy reservist charged in connection with the Jan. 6 riot at the U.S. Capitol was convicted by a jury Wednesday of possessing three unregistered firearms silencers in a separate case.
Hatchet M. Speed, a reserve petty officer in the Navy who had a top-secret security clearance, faces up to 30 years in prison when he is sentenced April 13 in federal court in Alexandria, Va., but his term is likely to be shorter because he has no prior criminal record. Courtney S. Dixon, one of his public defenders, said Speed plans to appeal his conviction.

Speed was investigated by the FBI for more than a year after U.S. authorities say he breached the Capitol with the Proud Boys extremist group during the Jan. 6, 2021, attack. He has pleaded not guilty to charges stemming from the attack. That trial is set to begin next month.

First of all, as to your inquiry, his name really is Hatchet Speed. That's his god-given Christian bapturnal name. Let there be no issue on that.

Goog/Verizon phone records quadlateral-locate Hatchet Speed in the goddam Capitol building from 2:35pm to 3:51 pm on January 6, 2021. Hatchet Speed spent 75% of that time loitering in the Huge Rotunda, 10% in the Statuary Hall, and 10% in the House Chamber. The remainder of his time appears to have been spent in the bathroom on the northeast wall of the vestibule. It is unclear at this time what he was doing in the bathroom. The bathroom evidence was excluded at trial.

Hatchet Speed was busted by a FBI undercover agent (FUCA), who approached and befriended Hatchet Speed two months after the Capitol freedom riot as a "like-minded individual." Hatchet Speed told the FUCA:

“[S]o we all went in and we took control. Like, when you have that many thousands of people, like there’s nothing the cops can do…it’s impressive.”

“It should have gotten to the point where Nancy Pelosi should have resigned out of fear for
her life. There are too many Americans that have this idea that we have to be peaceful all costs.”

"Every superhero movie made by Jews."

I am unaware of any other Capitol freedom rioters being flat-ass busted by the un-Constitutional use of a FUCA who extorts duress upon a vulnerable defendant (Hatchet Speed). The FUCA manipulated Hatchet Speed into confessing and he now stands humiliated in front of his Proud Boy friends, his reputation in tatters. Hatchet Speed's conviction is a travesty of human Constitutional rights granted by the Founding Fathers over all of America.