Atantic Region XC - D3

Some results of NYU's meet at Williams:

http://www.williams.edu/athletics/news.php?id=9858

Abdallah, Popeson do not appear in those abbreviated results. I'm not familiar with some of the names that *do* appear, actually, but the Violets won, which is all they have to do...beat an SCSU team that's been running pretty well. Nice job.

Well why don't you cry about it, Saddle Bags?!

I was watching RFXCRunner at the beginning of the race, me being a few steps behind him. The Geneseo runner was several feet over from him, but then careened into RFXCrunner for no apparent reason. While I have thrown my fair share of elbows in a race, this was a blatant attempt to hinder a runner well after the start of a race, which is just a bad show of sportsmanship. The most glaring detail is that RFXCrunner was on the outside of the upcoming turn and the Geneseo runner had the inside avenue, and yet still decided he could gain from interfering with a fellow competitior.

said geneseo runner was ryan mulcahy. he told me that he thought they made a left at the end of field, so he was trying to turn left before he realized that the course went right. He also said he bumped into someone...totally unintentional.

1) Why bother mentioning the incident on this message board? Who cares if someone knocked into you. Get over it, it wasn't like it was at regionals or nationals and cost you winning the race or qualifying of something. You might have been completely in the right, and the other guy completely wrong, but you still look like a crybaby for even bothering to mention it on here.

2) How dumb are these Geneseo runners? Who doesn't know the first turn of the course? I can see missing a subtle turn later in the race, but the first main turn is usually something that's paid attention to. Did their team not walk the course before hand?

New top 10 for the week:

1.Geneseo- still continue to look awesome and might have some top 3 or better nationals aspirations in their sights

2.NYU- Never know with these guys because they hardly ever run their full team at one meet until the big ones. They certainly have looked strong though in the meets they have run.

3.TCNJ- Much like NYU...definitely gonna be tough when it counts.

4.Cortland- As long as they find a 5th man to compliment that awesome top 4, they will challenge the top 3 a bit.

5.St. Lawrence- A VERY powerful number 5 in this region. They are my darkhorse to really shake things up this year.

6.RIT- Exceptional run at the Pre-Nats but it's gonna be so tough to break into that top 5.

7.Brockport- Need Kolb to get up there and be at the top of the region again like last year.

8.RPI- Good showings so far and UofR doesnt impress me much after Stevens.

9.UofR- Definitely not the same team as last year unless they're really hiding something.

10.Ithaca- Ran their full team finally and they are starting to look better than what they showed at Oswego.

Outside looking in:

Oswego- Fellows ran his first race of the year and Battista continues to look stronger and stronger every week. Still a team to watch to break into that top 10

Plattsburgh- doesnt have much after Asher and Deshane

Rowan- Good, solid team that's gonna come on strong late and mix it up for a top 10 slot.

Fredonia- Not impressing me so far

Oneonta- Even with all 5 of these teams listed...like i keep saying...it's a crap shoot for spots 8-15 this year!

two idiots wrote:

1) Why bother mentioning the incident on this message board? Who cares if someone knocked into you. Get over it, it wasn't like it was at regionals or nationals and cost you winning the race or qualifying of something. You might have been completely in the right, and the other guy completely wrong, but you still look like a crybaby for even bothering to mention it on here.

2) How dumb are these Geneseo runners? Who doesn't know the first turn of the course? I can see missing a subtle turn later in the race, but the first main turn is usually something that's paid attention to. Did their team not walk the course before hand?

Ryan Mulcahy's a sweet dude, but he's not the brightest crayon in the box. Give him a break... it was an accident. We're the ones who aren't douchebags, remember?

We were at Williams today, (although a bunch of us just tempo the first two miles on our coaches plan). When we were warming up I saw abdallah and popeson running a workout on the course for a long time, looked like fartlek. My coach was talking to the NYU coach, and told us that abdallah is just training like a mad man, and wouldnt race till october. Not sure about popesons deal, but he was there working out at williams. It was a so so day to race, and from what my coach said, they came from off the pace to win. Times were faster than last year by a good amount.js

present wrote:

Some results of NYU's meet at Williams:

http://www.williams.edu/athletics/news.php?id=9858

Abdallah, Popeson do not appear in those abbreviated results. I'm not familiar with some of the names that *do* appear, actually, but the Violets won, which is all they have to do...beat an SCSU team that's been running pretty well. Nice job.

I don't think that you're giving Plattsburgh enough credit. They won't be like they were last year I don't think, but they're better than UofR and Ithaca. That's my two cents anyways.

Other than that I pretty much agree with your rankings.

3, 6, 9,

damn he fine

hopin' he can sock it to me one mo' time

Nate Lowe, Nate Lowe

Nate Lowe, Nate Lowe

From the windows to the walls!!!!

rage wrote:

cross country races aren't a place for physical confrontation...just ask Mr. Kolb...when I race its usually to push MYSELF physically if someone’s got an issue with me I'll gladly take it up with them after the race in the mean time I'd be to busy scratching and clawing for every possible second I can get dropped on the course

needless to say I'd be pissed about an unnecessary shoulder in that situation as well and no it doesn't make anyone a girl if someone's pissed they ran 2-5 seconds slower because someone knocks into them when it didn't have to happen

I'm still wondering why, with 2 cortland guys and only Mr kolb, who's a whooping 5'7" and about 140lbs, he got the short end of everything. Maybe it was because Mr Terry walked off the course in the last mile and walked to the finish even though he wasn't remotely injured (except for his pride, if he has any).

People make Kolb out to be this horrible monster who mauls everyone in sight, when really people should be talking about how, if Terry had finished the race despite falling over like a limp piece of spagetti, Cortland may have beaten Geneseo. However, as in many racing instances with Terry, if things don't go his way, he quits and doesn't finish. How many times did we see him go from 2nd (to ted turner) in the last half mile of a race to 10th and out of the scoring? Talk about no heart and no loyalty to a team, being that he would rather score no points than 8. I'd rather have someone on my team who gets aggressive and in a dog fight with two other runners and can hold his own, as opposed to a runner who might pop a good time in a meaningless race, but when it's crunch time, can't finish. That's like being able to perform while watching the hours of porn you've downloaded on your computer, but get a real chick in front of you and you go all soft.

Keep sounding like a total puss "rage," because if a little bump knocks you off your game, you'll never be more than a back of the pack runner constantly looking at a bunch of asses.

okay guys, i think that’s enough about that incident, lets get back to talking about the Atlantic region please

dude you desperately need to go get laid

Agreed!

Some interesting happenings this past weekend with Geneseo dominating the pre-nationals, with Berube and haskell not running well. RIT really stepped up without Burdick running up to normal. NYU still didn't run a full team and easily beat Williams.

Geneseo's invite should be a good one, but several top teams won't be there. Cortland's running their full team at Paul Short, so we get to see what kind of shape Nally is in.

The women's side is fairly straight forward with Geneseo totally dominating at pre-nationals and TCNJ and Ithaca running well at their meets. I think it's real close for the next couple spots with St. Lawrence, Cortland and Brockport. RIT ran pretty well at pre-nationals too, so they may be in the mix for a top 5 spot.

Cortland and tcnj will be running against each other at paul short. How do you think this will play out?

Cortland will most likely beat CNJ this weekend, as my guess is they will come to PS all fired up, with a bit of a chip on their shoulder, and really get after it. CNJ looks like they are still missing Kopnicki from top form, so might not be able to match Cloke/Nally up front in the race, and in a big field like PS having someone (or two) far up will do wonders for your team score. MY guess is their 3-6 men for each will be prett close in time and place comparisons.

So who will be at Geneseo Invite, let me guess, the same group of schools who have raced each other 2-3 times already this season? hey Lowe doesnt that kill you, seeing the same teams about 5-6 times by regionals?? Nice job at Pre-Nats, besides the little pushin "incedent" wanna give us some honest feedback on the race, how good the field was, toughness of the course??

the floor is your Mr. Lowe

you are a sweet winner

It is kinda irritating to run against the same teams all the time, but what are you gonna do?

The course was actually quite to my liking, 99% grass field, nothing too tricky. There are a few corners that are hard to navigate around in a group, but nothing too complicated. There are a couple of spots where it was muddy, but nothing insane, only a few spots where you have to cross over pavement, and very flat. There are a couple of little inclines, but nothing I would call a hill, just a bump. The course is neither particularly tricky not particularly difficult.

The field, outside of Geneseo, seemed like it didn't race very well, or just didn't show up to race. I was expecting a tough race right from the get go, but I ended up leading for a little ways about 2 1/2 miles in, nobody really started pushing until about 3 miles. And even then it was just a string of guys just pulling off of the pack. I'm having a hard time believing that the other teams there ran full squads or really raced it, because I sure wasn't feeling a lot of heat in the later stages of the race until right at the end (and I was dying at that point). So I'm not sure if Wheaton and NCC and the other ranked schools didn't race or just ran poorly, but either way, the course was not hard, and it was reasonably quick (at least compared to the other courses I have run on so far).

The funny thing is, this has been Chuck Terry's MO since high school. Ran pretty well for most of the race, sometimes even the whole race, but often would fall off badly, and seam to "give up" the last part of many races, just when he needed to show some heart.

However this doesn't have much to do with the Ryan Kolb incident.

Kolb was a punk and shoved Terry for no reason. The funny thing was when Kolb's team-mate (Scott Austin) got booted from the team for Regionals because of some "internet conspiracy campaign". That was classic. What is even funnier is that Geneseo people, to this day still think that Cortland people were behind that, which is not even close to the truth.

Will they ever figure out who it was?