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2 years ago 03/21/2022 9:15pm EDT

re: otter

otter wrote:
There are accounts out of Mariupol of people that were going to local streams because they are thirsty for water and are being targeted by missiles when they do.
Now the water in the streams has been said to be contaminated because of all the corpses so they are drinking radiator water from their heating systems.
The Russians are not missing targets, they are targeting the innocent on purpose.

Yup, and there are reports of anonymous persons that the Russians have started cannibalizing Ukrainians and drinking their blood. They're going door to door and torturing and raping. They're unplugging incubator babies and there are also reports of weapons of mass destruction. As well as beheadings and Taliban involvement.

2 years ago 03/21/2022 9:38pm EDT

re: kids are people too

kids are people too wrote:
Ernest wrote:
The point here is what?
Civilians were killed, so we can justify or turn a blind eye to execution and torture?
All these things are wrong. One does not excuse the other.
It's a goddamn tragedy what's happening in the Ukraine. But it's far from unique.
Atrocity stops is when we stop finding reasons for it.
I'm not apologizing of any of it.
I'm pointing out sickening hypocrisy.
We are literally up in arms over civilian deaths in Mariupol, but were not for Snizhne in 2014 (etc.). If you care about one and not others, it shows it's not killing you're concerned about... just some killings. That speaks to agenda not morality.
Cvilians are currently being killed. The atrocity on both sides ends when the INVADERS leave.
I try to think of this as if an invading force came into my town and blew up everything including my wife and kids. They would get the full force of my rage.
You keep talking of the past. Why don't we talk about what the Romans did?
This is happening right now. The Russian soldiers by invading and killing innocent people that are being killed are getting exactly what they deserve. There is no camparing killing women and children to killing invading soldiers.
You are on the wrong side Ernest.

You see. This is the problem. Some one gets the bright idea that killing people is ok and the result is, well, more dead people.

Where does the cycle of violence end?

I spoke out, in part, against torture and executions. If being against that puts me on the “wrong side” then right is wrong and up is down.

Time to bone up on the 10 Commandments. There will be a test later.

2 years ago 03/21/2022 9:46pm EDT

re: Ernest

Ernest wrote:
kids are people too wrote:
Cvilians are currently being killed. The atrocity on both sides ends when the INVADERS leave.
I try to think of this as if an invading force came into my town and blew up everything including my wife and kids. They would get the full force of my rage.
You keep talking of the past. Why don't we talk about what the Romans did?
This is happening right now. The Russian soldiers by invading and killing innocent people that are being killed are getting exactly what they deserve. There is no camparing killing women and children to killing invading soldiers.
You are on the wrong side Ernest.
You see. This is the problem. Some one gets the bright idea that killing people is ok and the result is, well, more dead people.
Where does the cycle of violence end?
I spoke out, in part, against torture and executions. If being against that puts me on the “wrong side” then right is wrong and up is down.
Time to bone up on the 10 Commandments. There will be a test later.

You are posting in an attempt to sway people to the Russian cause.

If enough people like you convince others that what is going on is ok, than more innocent people will die and you will be as resposible as much those carrying out the slaughter.

2 years ago 03/21/2022 9:48pm EDT

re: definitely cant make it up

definitely cant make it up wrote:
Precisely what was going on in Donbas since 2014 with Ukranian forces shelling Russian civilians. Hasn't stopped since. Ukranians haven't managed to overthrow that fascist puppet government. Russia has stepped in and are taking care of business.

If you think Russia is taking care of business, well then thank you for reminding me why I should not do business with Russia. They can't keep their major generals,2 stars, alive. 5 major generals killed. A dozen or so of lower ranking officers, colonels, majors ect. dead already. The only thing Russia can do well is to knock down buildings. They should be in the gravel business.

2 years ago 03/21/2022 9:48pm EDT

re: Ernest

Or maybe reread the story of David and Goliath?

2 years ago 03/21/2022 10:03pm EDT

re: kids are people too

kids are people too wrote:
Ernest wrote:
You see. This is the problem. Some one gets the bright idea that killing people is ok and the result is, well, more dead people.
Where does the cycle of violence end?
I spoke out, in part, against torture and executions. If being against that puts me on the “wrong side” then right is wrong and up is down.
Time to bone up on the 10 Commandments. There will be a test later.
You are posting in an attempt to sway people to the Russian cause.
If enough people like you convince others that what is going on is ok, than more innocent people will die and you will be as resposible as much those carrying out the slaughter.

Gawrsh… Who knew expressing pacifist views on a message board was killing innocent people!

You’ve convinced me.

I am now totally on favour of torture and executions!! thanks !!!

2 years ago 03/21/2022 10:29pm EDT

re: Ernest

Ernest wrote:
kids are people too wrote:
Cvilians are currently being killed. The atrocity on both sides ends when the INVADERS leave.
I try to think of this as if an invading force came into my town and blew up everything including my wife and kids. They would get the full force of my rage.
You keep talking of the past. Why don't we talk about what the Romans did?
This is happening right now. The Russian soldiers by invading and killing innocent people that are being killed are getting exactly what they deserve. There is no camparing killing women and children to killing invading soldiers.
You are on the wrong side Ernest.
You see. This is the problem. Some one gets the bright idea that killing people is ok and the result is, well, more dead people.
Where does the cycle of violence end?
I spoke out, in part, against torture and executions. If being against that puts me on the “wrong side” then right is wrong and up is down.
Time to bone up on the 10 Commandments. There will be a test later.

Ok, if you are going to bring up the bible, especially the Old Testament the 10 commandments do not always apply when it comes to war. Here are some examples for you:

“Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.”

“There is…a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.”

“However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them…as the LORD your God has commanded you.”

“take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites”

2 years ago 03/21/2022 10:35pm EDT

re: Ernest

Ernest wrote:
You see. This is the problem. Some one gets the bright idea that killing people is ok and the result is, well, more dead people.
Where does the cycle of violence end?
I spoke out, in part, against torture and executions. If being against that puts me on the “wrong side” then right is wrong and up is down.
Time to bone up on the 10 Commandments. There will be a test later.

The killing ends when the murderous invaders leave Ukraine. It's really that simple

2 years ago 03/21/2022 10:52pm EDT

re: otter

otter wrote:
Ernest wrote:
You see. This is the problem. Some one gets the bright idea that killing people is ok and the result is, well, more dead people.
Where does the cycle of violence end?
I spoke out, in part, against torture and executions. If being against that puts me on the “wrong side” then right is wrong and up is down.
Time to bone up on the 10 Commandments. There will be a test later.
Ok, if you are going to bring up the bible, especially the Old Testament the 10 commandments do not always apply when it comes to war. Here are some examples for you:
“Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.”
“There is…a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.”
“However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them…as the LORD your God has commanded you.”
“take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites”

Specific Instructions to ancient biblical persons is not meant to be applicable to all persons for all time. They’re supposed historic record, not codices for devout living. Suggesting otherwise completely misunderstands New Testament.

2 years ago 03/21/2022 11:03pm EDT

re: Ernest

Ernest wrote:
kids are people too wrote:
You are posting in an attempt to sway people to the Russian cause.
If enough people like you convince others that what is going on is ok, than more innocent people will die and you will be as resposible as much those carrying out the slaughter.
Gawrsh… Who knew expressing pacifist views on a message board was killing innocent people!
You’ve convinced me.
I am now totally on favour of torture and executions!! thanks !!!

In your case you might be forgiven seeing as despite spending hours on end trying, you have not convinced anyone that killing innocent women and children is justified.

2 years ago 03/21/2022 11:09pm EDT

re: Ernest

Ernest wrote:
otter wrote:
Ok, if you are going to bring up the bible, especially the Old Testament the 10 commandments do not always apply when it comes to war. Here are some examples for you:
“Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.”
“There is…a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.”
“However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them…as the LORD your God has commanded you.”
“take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites”
Specific Instructions to ancient biblical persons is not meant to be applicable to all persons for all time. They’re supposed historic record, not codices for devout living. Suggesting otherwise completely misunderstands New Testament.

You were the one that brought the bible up, right?

The bible is not meant to be specific if you understand it which I am guessing you do not? Are you one of those people that actually believe that every animal on Earth was placed on a boat during the flood? It's written in story form so the masses understand its message.

No sense in debating an idiot.

2 years ago 03/21/2022 11:09pm EDT

re: Ernest

Ernest wrote:
Specific Instructions to ancient biblical persons is not meant to be applicable to all persons for all time. They’re supposed historic record, not codices for devout living. Suggesting otherwise completely misunderstands New Testament.

Thanks for the Bible lesson. Now return to your regular job of defending mass murder that is trending towards genocide.

2 years ago 03/21/2022 11:12pm EDT

re: Harambe

Harambe wrote:
Ernest wrote:
You see. This is the problem. Some one gets the bright idea that killing people is ok and the result is, well, more dead people.
Where does the cycle of violence end?
I spoke out, in part, against torture and executions. If being against that puts me on the “wrong side” then right is wrong and up is down.
Time to bone up on the 10 Commandments. There will be a test later.
The killing ends when the murderous invaders leave Ukraine. It's really that simple

Does it end then?

We have been clobbering each other before we had fire - and will probably be doing it in space - assuming we don’t similarly rationalize our own extinction first.

Geniuses here on LR figure tying a young man to a pole and beating him while filming is fine - if it’s a Ukrainian holding the camera. Or blowing out prisoners’ brains is copestic as long as they’re Russian grunts fertilizing the fields.

They’re war crimes, plain and simple. You need a long look in the mirror if you argue these things are OK.

“He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster.”
- Nietzsche

2 years ago 03/21/2022 11:14pm EDT

re: otter

otter wrote:
Ernest wrote:
You see. This is the problem. Some one gets the bright idea that killing people is ok and the result is, well, more dead people.
Where does the cycle of violence end?
I spoke out, in part, against torture and executions. If being against that puts me on the “wrong side” then right is wrong and up is down.
Time to bone up on the 10 Commandments. There will be a test later.
Ok, if you are going to bring up the bible, especially the Old Testament the 10 commandments do not always apply when it comes to war. Here are some examples for you:
“Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.”
“There is…a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.”
“However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them…as the LORD your God has commanded you.”
“take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites”

Ah the Old Testament vs the New Testament debate. Having read both it seems God was pretty pissed off. Then came Jesus. He seemed to be more compassionate.

2 years ago 03/21/2022 11:22pm EDT

re: Ernest

Ernest wrote:
Harambe wrote:
The killing ends when the murderous invaders leave Ukraine. It's really that simple
Does it end then?
We have been clobbering each other before we had fire - and will probably be doing it in space - assuming we don’t similarly rationalize our own extinction first.
Geniuses here on LR figure tying a young man to a pole and beating him while filming is fine - if it’s a Ukrainian holding the camera. Or blowing out prisoners’ brains is copestic as long as they’re Russian grunts fertilizing the fields.
They’re war crimes, plain and simple. You need a long look in the mirror if you argue these things are OK.
“He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster.”
- Nietzsche

Sure. Hand wring about Russian invaders being killed in self defense. You must be a nervous wreck 24/7 if this kind of violence gets you so worked up. I can't imagine how you must feel about the innocent people dying if the guilty ones cause this much angst.

2 years ago 03/21/2022 11:23pm EDT

re: Harambe

The kind of blind contrarianism we see from Ernest and co is fairly common. There's a whole class of political alignment now that basically confuses contrarianism with intelligence and nuance.

2 years ago 03/21/2022 11:32pm EDT

re: Ernest

Ernest wrote:
“He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster.”
- Nietzsche

Yes, but in this case you become the monster only if you kill the soldier's home and family.

2 years ago 03/21/2022 11:37pm EDT

re: OH...TX

OH...TX wrote:
Ernest wrote:
Specific Instructions to ancient biblical persons is not meant to be applicable to all persons for all time. They’re supposed historic record, not codices for devout living. Suggesting otherwise completely misunderstands New Testament.
Thanks for the Bible lesson. Now return to your regular job of defending mass murder that is trending towards genocide.

Please quote where I defended mass murder. I did not.

You’re using smear to deflect rather than argue what’s inarguable - atrocity for atrocity.

2 years ago 03/21/2022 11:40pm EDT

re: kids are people too

kids are people too wrote:
Ernest wrote:
- Nietzsche
Yes, but in this case you become the monster only if you kill the soldier's home and family.

Only?

That kind of thinking in 1968 Saigon earned someone a Pulitzer Prize.

2 years ago 03/21/2022 11:45pm EDT

re: Harambe

Harambe wrote:
The kind of blind contrarianism we see from Ernest and co is fairly common. There's a whole class of political alignment now that basically confuses contrarianism with intelligence and nuance.

Non-sensical word jumble. Argues nothing. Just a Patronizing populist appeal. You’re looking for a clap back from the choir.

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