Alec Baldwin just shot and KILLED a woman on a movie set

You need to stop pretending you are anywhere close to a firearm expert. When blank ammo is fired, a micro explosion gives the impression a live round has been fired. Just micro explosion, no projectile. A blank did not kill one person and wound another. Are blanks 100% safe. Of course not. That is a different discussion. A live round was fired from pistol in Baldwin's hand. You need to stop.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Bald Always Win wrote:

You are incorrect. Imagine for a moment that a police officer accidentally killed a friend at a party from pretending to shoot him with what he thought was an empty gun. The cop would be in jail already and nearly everyone would be demanding that he go to prison for life. Laws don't treat actors different than others which should mean that there will be a trial.

Of course a police officer is going to be held to a higher standard than an actor on a set. He is the gun expert.

So many posters have been stating Baldwin's guilt as a fact. Are there any articles online where an attorney with experience in accidental shootings has had the same opinion?

Then er shall hope to be shot by an actor and not police. At least someone will be trialed

sayyestonepotism wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

Of course a police officer is going to be held to a higher standard than an actor on a set. He is the gun expert.

So many posters have been stating Baldwin's guilt as a fact. Are there any articles online where an attorney with experience in accidental shootings has had the same opinion?

Then er shall hope to be shot by an actor and not police. At least someone will be trialed

The other way round

who did HuffPost quote? wrote:

I AM the ONLY firearm expert HERE. When blank ammo ...

Pssst. Blank cartridge. Not blank ammo. Ammunition: bullets and shells. Cartridge: no bullet.

bullets wrote:

otter wrote:

I’m no expert but I know that blanks don’t go through people and hit other people after.

Yes, you are no expert. It depends on the size of the blank and the range, and what the "wad" went through. A blank wad went through the skull of an actor playing around.

https://youtu.be/veGIKwgbqXc?t=54

I've got two examples that show the danger of firearms and air rifles.

#1 My grandfather recalled an event to me that happened on the farm when he was a boy.

His dad wanting to play a trick on their dog, removed the shot from a paper shotgun shell. But he forgot to remove the two felt wads that separated the charge from the shot. Much to my great grandfathers horror when he fired what he thought was a blank, he drilled a hole completely through the dog.

#2 I once owned a 22cal. pump air rifle. If pumped to the max, 10 pumps, you could shatter beer bottles at 100 feet+. I was cleaning this air rifle in my apartment and got a q-tip stuck in the barrel. I gave the gun 3 pumps and placed a beer can on a shelf. I fired, the q-tip was removed, beer can was penetrated and the q-tip was buried up to the cotton tip in the dry wall.

I have one example where the trigger was not pulled. I have one brother 9 years younger than me. We were playing cowboys and indians or some sort of game in the garage. I had my grandfathers single shot 22 and ammunition. I found what I thought was blank ammo because there was no bullet outside the case. The case was crimped over. I had my brother in my sights, about 7-8 feet away. His back turned towards me. I was ready to pull the trigger aiming at center mass. I'm to this day unable to say why I didn't pull the trigger, a voice in my head perhaps?

Later that day I opened up that cartridge and and it was filled with birdshot. I've never shared this event with anyone until today. My brother, father, mother, two sisters or my wife.

I'm sharing it now as lessons to be learned. Be it firearms, air rifles, bows and arrows dangerous weapons are exactly that, dangerous weapons. Not toys. I got lucky and didn't shoot my brother.

I went to school with a guy who during deer season heard a rustling in the woods, thought it was a deer, fired, gave his brother a fatal 00buck shot wound to the chest.

Sorry TLDR but I thought it might be important for people to understand that guns aren't toys. And if you pull the trigger you own the outcome.

Yessiree Bob wrote:

LOL at the internet lawyers and judges weighing in on this thread.

Well, I am not either but somehow understand that killing someone accidentally while screwing around with a loaded gun is messed up. Common sense.

otter wrote:

Yessiree Bob wrote:

LOL at the internet lawyers and judges weighing in on this thread.

Well, I am not either but somehow understand that killing someone accidentally while screwing around with a loaded gun is messed up. Common sense.

Laws are based on common sense and logic. We'll see what happens.

bullets wrote:

otter wrote:

I’m no expert but I know that blanks don’t go through people and hit other people after.

Yes, you are no expert. It depends on the size of the blank and the range, and what the "wad" went through. A blank wad went through the skull of an actor playing around.

https://youtu.be/veGIKwgbqXc?t=54

There is no projectile. The force of the gunpowder is enough to shoot air through the styrofoam or anything else at point blank range.

At a distance a “blank” will not got burst through a person into another person.

Yes, I am not an expert but clearly of superior intelligence to you.

Oof . PR machine making the peon as the patsy. And look at the sheep bleating away in unison.

You are a fool.

adductor_injured wrote:

Oof . PR machine making the peon as the patsy. And look at the sheep bleating away in unison.

American liberals were able to convince themselves that O.J. Simpson was framed for double murder by a flash mob of racist white cops. Convincing themselves that a liberal hero like Baldwin couldn't possibly face liability for shooting two people is just another day at the office for liberals.

And yeah, CNN and NBC are going for blood on the flunkie white male assistant director. They dug a former employee who said he sucked at being a boss! Not a stone will be left unturned in this pursuit of justice. New Mexico police wish they had criminal investigative talents like that.

A person died because Baldwin didn't check it. It is disturbing that you think it is foolish to save a life.

Part of this story that isn't being talked about is that they contracted out the prop department & went with a non-union group. This is a horrible story. I'm sure people have said horrible things on this thread. But thinking about this as a labor issue might be good for some to at least consider. So many industries now lack unions, which lower workplace accidents & raise safety standards. You see profitable employers cutting corners on labor & then stuff like this happens. We're living in a time where employers try to find ways to not pay employees, limit employees, and cut corners. Maybe we should rethink that.

Of course a democrat would bypass union labor in order to save a $1.

Bald Always Win wrote:

A person died because Baldwin didn't check it. It is disturbing that you think it is foolish to save a life.

That is such a ridiculous stance. You know that actors have died because lights fell on them? Should Alec Baldwin have to check that too? What about if he's driving a car? Does he need to check the brake lines? Does he need to make sure all the lug nuts are securely on so a tire doesn't come off and high speeds and hit and kill someone? Does he need to make sure that a poisonous substance wasn't accidentally introduced into any smoke or fog produced by machines? What about the food service? Does he need to check to make sure there isn't going to be any food poisoning?

I could go on all day with things on a movie set that could be potentially dangerous that an actor should have ZERO responsibility for checking. Just RIDICULOUS to suggest he should have done something different here.

phony al wrote:

adductor_injured wrote:

Oof . PR machine making the peon as the patsy. And look at the sheep bleating away in unison.

American liberals were able to convince themselves that O.J. Simpson was framed for double murder by a flash mob of racist white cops. Convincing themselves that a liberal hero like Baldwin couldn't possibly face liability for shooting two people is just another day at the office for liberals.

And yeah, CNN and NBC are going for blood on the flunkie white male assistant director. They dug a former employee who said he sucked at being a boss! Not a stone will be left unturned in this pursuit of justice. New Mexico police wish they had criminal investigative talents like that.

You're working backwards with your logic. You hate liberals so of course they believed in O.J. I guess you weren't around then but most white people believed O.J. was guilty and black people the opposite.

+1

This isn't a hypothetical situation. Somebody is dead and they wouldn't be dead if he had checked the gun. Those are facts. Hindsight is 20/20. So to now say that it would have been foolish to check it which we know would have saved a life, is a disturbing statement on your part. You obviously have no regard for human life and no comprehension for the danger of firearms. I would never pull the trigger on a gun that is pointed at someone even if an expert checked it and I checked it. Never point at something unless you intend to kill it. Firearm owners know this. My children know this. He needs to go to prison.

You raise some very interesting points. But A. Baldwin wasn't just an actor. He was also a producer on this set. Harry Truman had a sign on his desk that read, "The buck stops here." Again, I don't like A. Baldwin, however I wouldn't wish this homicide on my worst enemy. But who's desk is this buck going to stop on? A stagehand on a running set cannot be shot to death without someone being held accountable.