To be fair, there is plenty of garbage in the Democratic party as well. A lot of people probably don't want to be associated with either party due to the extremists on both ends.
No equivalency at all. Democrats are UNITED behind their leadership (Jeffries in the House, Shumer in the Senate, and Biden at the helm of the country).
Extremists are one thing, but the GOP's party has TOO many of that IN ELECTED OFFICE! That's what is keeping it from electing a speaker.
Sorry, brother, but just because the Democrats are perfect, that makes ZERO argument here. The Republican Party is a mess and is in worse shape than either major party has been in my lifetime. It's pathetic, and it only has ITSELF to blame for going down the nutbar path paved by Trump. Fools.
To be fair, there is plenty of garbage in the Democratic party as well. A lot of people probably don't want to be associated with either party due to the extremists on both ends.
Said in various ways by lots of people a million times before, but....
When one side (among many other truly extreme/bad things) supports a president/president wanna-be who absolutely wants to be an autocrat, it's ACTUALLY dangerous to consider that essentially the same as very liberal policies one might not like.
NOTHING AOC or any other D wants is anything close to saying, "If I don't win an election, I didn't really lose the election." That's the end of our country. Bathrooms, and taxes, and more gun control, and PC crap, and YES, even porous borders, are not.
And when the people who pay some attention to the news dishonestly/inaccurately say this all the time, lots more who stay mostly tuned out hear it and believe it. And they might end up voting for the party that is currently for election theft. That's actual existential danger to the country. Not here today, gone tomorrow, policies you don't like.
All bad things aren't equal.
Which MIGHT be where my name came from on this thread a long time ago. Imagine that.
CORRECT! (and I posted my response before reading yours)
Said in various ways by lots of people a million times before, but....
When one side (among many other truly extreme/bad things) supports a president/president wanna-be who absolutely wants to be an autocrat, it's ACTUALLY dangerous to consider that essentially the same as very liberal policies one might not like.
NOTHING AOC or any other D wants is anything close to saying, "If I don't win an election, I didn't really lose the election." That's the end of our country. Bathrooms, and taxes, and more gun control, and PC crap, and YES, even porous borders, are not.
And when the people who pay some attention to the news dishonestly/inaccurately say this all the time, lots more who stay mostly tuned out hear it and believe it. And they might end up voting for the party that is currently for election theft. That's actual existential danger to the country. Not here today, gone tomorrow, policies you don't like.
All bad things aren't equal.
Which MIGHT be where my name came from on this thread a long time ago. Imagine that.
I agree with both of you - the Dem party turns off a lot of people with its obsessions with race and gender, for example.
But I agree that the GOP is an actual danger to the Republic and the Dems are clearly not. Many of these Rs voting for Speaker voted in 2021 to overturn a free and fair election. That's how they rolled and they will roll that way again before too long. Not fans of democracy, the GOP. They'd rather live in an autocracy if it meant the Dems cried more.
You can agree with both, but the former's argument holds NO water against the sh!tshow that is the Republican Party...and I'm not even talking about how DANGEROUS and ANTI-AMERICAN the GOP has become...I'm just talking about how fractured it is so that it clearly can't govern...they can't agree on a speaker? This should have been done months ago by them so that the voting was a formality. Idiots.
You can agree with both, but the former's argument holds NO water against the sh!tshow that is the Republican Party...and I'm not even talking about how DANGEROUS and ANTI-AMERICAN the GOP has become...I'm just talking about how fractured it is so that it clearly can't govern...they can't agree on a speaker? This should have been done months ago by them so that the voting was a formality. Idiots.
How do you define DANGEROUS? Because in the two years that Biden and the Dems had complete control of the government, Murder increased, property crime increased, hate crime increased, we had the first real threat of global nuclear war since the cold war, the flow of fentanyl increased across the southern border (along with human trafficking and individuals on the terrorist watch list), etc. So how are Republicans more DANGEROUS than the sh!tshow we witnessed the past two years? Not to mention the economic damage they inflicted that we will be struggling with for years to come.
You can agree with both, but the former's argument holds NO water against the sh!tshow that is the Republican Party...and I'm not even talking about how DANGEROUS and ANTI-AMERICAN the GOP has become...I'm just talking about how fractured it is so that it clearly can't govern...they can't agree on a speaker? This should have been done months ago by them so that the voting was a formality. Idiots.
How do you define DANGEROUS? Because in the two years that Biden and the Dems had complete control of the government, Murder increased, property crime increased, hate crime increased, we had the first real threat of global nuclear war since the cold war, the flow of fentanyl increased across the southern border (along with human trafficking and individuals on the terrorist watch list), etc. So how are Republicans more DANGEROUS than the sh!tshow we witnessed the past two years? Not to mention the economic damage they inflicted that we will be struggling with for years to come.
first off, blaming the federal government for a crime wave is silly.
second off, there are different kinds of danger. The GOP attempted to end democracy in America. The Republican leader to this day says we should terminate the Constitution.
We will recover from a crime wave. But once democracy has been taken away by right wing zealots it is very hard to get back.
But if you want to go all in, I'm sure Obamacare has saved an enormous number of lives, and the GOP tried for a decade to end it. That was their #1 goal for many years. Taking away health care from our old and fat nation.
Looks like the White House just got a shipment of electric vehicles for the staff to try out and look how Happy President Biden is taking his new electric vehicle for a spin. You just can't help but smile seeing him enjoying himself so much!
I agree with both of you - the Dem party turns off a lot of people with its obsessions with race and gender, for example.
But I agree that the GOP is an actual danger to the Republic and the Dems are clearly not. Many of these Rs voting for Speaker voted in 2021 to overturn a free and fair election. That's how they rolled and they will roll that way again before too long. Not fans of democracy, the GOP. They'd rather live in an autocracy if it meant the Dems cried more.
You can agree with both, but the former's argument holds NO water against the sh!tshow that is the Republican Party...and I'm not even talking about how DANGEROUS and ANTI-AMERICAN the GOP has become...I'm just talking about how fractured it is so that it clearly can't govern...they can't agree on a speaker? This should have been done months ago by them so that the voting was a formality. Idiots.
They were too busy defending Trump for taking box loads of TS stuff to his club.....
How do you define DANGEROUS? Because in the two years that Biden and the Dems had complete control of the government, Murder increased, property crime increased, hate crime increased, we had the first real threat of global nuclear war since the cold war, the flow of fentanyl increased across the southern border (along with human trafficking and individuals on the terrorist watch list), etc. So how are Republicans more DANGEROUS than the sh!tshow we witnessed the past two years? Not to mention the economic damage they inflicted that we will be struggling with for years to come.
first off, blaming the federal government for a crime wave is silly.
second off, there are different kinds of danger. The GOP attempted to end democracy in America. The Republican leader to this day says we should terminate the Constitution.
We will recover from a crime wave. But once democracy has been taken away by right wing zealots it is very hard to get back.
But if you want to go all in, I'm sure Obamacare has saved an enormous number of lives, and the GOP tried for a decade to end it. That was their #1 goal for many years. Taking away health care from our old and fat nation.
And as long as we're talking about the word "dangerous," let's not neglect to note that the Rs wholeheartedly supported a President that ANY close-to-honest American admits couldn't even usually bother to PRETEND to give a shi* about Americans suffering from or dying in a pandemic. And indeed, did many things to HURT the situation (mocking masks, hiding his own vaccinations, downplaying the threat, etc.).
first off, blaming the federal government for a crime wave is silly.
second off, there are different kinds of danger. The GOP attempted to end democracy in America. The Republican leader to this day says we should terminate the Constitution.
We will recover from a crime wave. But once democracy has been taken away by right wing zealots it is very hard to get back.
But if you want to go all in, I'm sure Obamacare has saved an enormous number of lives, and the GOP tried for a decade to end it. That was their #1 goal for many years. Taking away health care from our old and fat nation.
Democrats hold plenty of responsibility for the current crime wave. And don't pretend that Biden is a great defender of the Constitution. He has stepped all over the Constitution and his Democrat minions advocate for even more (court stacking, orders that fall outside of the executive powers of the president, selective enforcement of the law, use of the department of justice to go after political opponents, etc.).
Looks like the White House just got a shipment of electric vehicles for the staff to try out and look how Happy President Biden is taking his new electric vehicle for a spin. You just can't help but smile seeing him enjoying himself so much!
I think Hunter looked happier in the $142k Fisker he received as a gift from Kazakhstani Oligarch Kenes Rakishev after Obama lost $139 million in taxpayer money via loan guarantees on the Fisker plant in Biden's hometown of Wilmington, DE.
I think the Fisker Karma was the price required but Hunter for the big guy to have lunch with Rakishev and former Kazakhstan Prime Minister Massimov at Cafe Milano in Washington DC.
A source at Cafe Milano — which touts itself as “Where the world’s most powerful people go” — told The Post that Joe Biden has dined there “many, many times̶…
first off, blaming the federal government for a crime wave is silly.
second off, there are different kinds of danger. The GOP attempted to end democracy in America. The Republican leader to this day says we should terminate the Constitution.
We will recover from a crime wave. But once democracy has been taken away by right wing zealots it is very hard to get back.
But if you want to go all in, I'm sure Obamacare has saved an enormous number of lives, and the GOP tried for a decade to end it. That was their #1 goal for many years. Taking away health care from our old and fat nation.
Democrats hold plenty of responsibility for the current crime wave. And don't pretend that Biden is a great defender of the Constitution. He has stepped all over the Constitution and his Democrat minions advocate for even more (court stacking, orders that fall outside of the executive powers of the president, selective enforcement of the law, use of the department of justice to go after political opponents, etc.).
get your head out of right wing media - it has melted your cerebral cortex.
Democrats hold plenty of responsibility for the current crime wave. And don't pretend that Biden is a great defender of the Constitution. He has stepped all over the Constitution and his Democrat minions advocate for even more (court stacking, orders that fall outside of the executive powers of the president, selective enforcement of the law, use of the department of justice to go after political opponents, etc.).
get your head out of right wing media - it has melted your cerebral cortex.
I guess that really is the best way to reply to such crap. And it's so depressing that the normal, completely stupid, "Whatever is going on bad in the country/world is the other party's fault" now doesn't look AS bad.
Because...the Trumper morans have now ALSO been talked into pretending that the other side is doing EXACTLY what Trump and some other Rs were/are doing (projecting, obviously). For 4 years, listen to Trump imply and state that his opposition should be investigated (and shake down a foreign leader for political help), and fu**ing pretend that it's the OTHER side that does that sort of thing. Not new, but just so disgusting.
We somehow went from a very dumb country to an EVEN MORE dumb (and dishonest) country.
You can agree with both, but the former's argument holds NO water against the sh!tshow that is the Republican Party...and I'm not even talking about how DANGEROUS and ANTI-AMERICAN the GOP has become...I'm just talking about how fractured it is so that it clearly can't govern...they can't agree on a speaker? This should have been done months ago by them so that the voting was a formality. Idiots.
How do you define DANGEROUS? Because in the two years that Biden and the Dems had complete control of the government, Murder increased, property crime increased, hate crime increased, we had the first real threat of global nuclear war since the cold war, the flow of fentanyl increased across the southern border (along with human trafficking and individuals on the terrorist watch list), etc. So how are Republicans more DANGEROUS than the sh!tshow we witnessed the past two years? Not to mention the economic damage they inflicted that we will be struggling with for years to come.
You are a serious simpleton. Trump and his administration didn't do any governing...he handed out some tax benefits to uber rich people and kept brown people in cages on the border...other than that, he was just a walking crime spree. He didn't do anything to deal with crime...he COMMITTED crimes as did a LOT of the people who worked for him, but he didn't do anything about crime in the US.
Trump and his minions have proven that they will resort to violence if they do not get their way in elections. That's DANGEROUS. Trump STOLE classified documents and held them in an unsecure location while Republicans seemed to not give a sh!t and have looked the other way. That's DANGEROUS. Trump continues to spew the Big Lie about winning the election, and there are people willing to take up arms to defend him on that (helped along by nonsense comments from MTG). That's DANGEROUS.
The rest of your post is just right-wing nonsense. In Trump's last year in office, the murder rate rose 28% or 30% (depending on which source you look at), and it was the highest rise in over a hundred years. The rate was then flat or up 4% (again depending on your source) in 2021, but violent crime actually went down. Your idea that we were without murder and other crime under Trump is delusional. He's cancer. You are an idiot to defend him or the time he was in office.
Just to piggy back on the dumbness of right wingers. How did they get so gullible to the Anti-govt blame game that Trump and the right wing ecosystem feeds them? Over and over we hear lawmakers and Trump himself blame the government as corrupt, blah, blah, blah. But nobody ever asks them why they are blaming the government when in fact they ARE THE FREEKING government! Trump would rail against all institutions he disagreed with at the same time that he controlled the institutions and they are his people running them. And if you believe all these institutions of government are so corrupt then why are you so desperate to join the government and get elected in the first place?
Of course the answer is very simple. It is just another lie that the base eats up and regurgitates on message boards like this.
How do you define DANGEROUS? Because in the two years that Biden and the Dems had complete control of the government, Murder increased, property crime increased, hate crime increased, we had the first real threat of global nuclear war since the cold war, the flow of fentanyl increased across the southern border (along with human trafficking and individuals on the terrorist watch list), etc. So how are Republicans more DANGEROUS than the sh!tshow we witnessed the past two years? Not to mention the economic damage they inflicted that we will be struggling with for years to come.
You are a serious simpleton. Trump and his administration didn't do any governing...he handed out some tax benefits to uber rich people and kept brown people in cages on the border...other than that, he was just a walking crime spree. He didn't do anything to deal with crime...he COMMITTED crimes as did a LOT of the people who worked for him, but he didn't do anything about crime in the US.
Trump and his minions have proven that they will resort to violence if they do not get their way in elections. That's DANGEROUS. Trump STOLE classified documents and held them in an unsecure location while Republicans seemed to not give a sh!t and have looked the other way. That's DANGEROUS. Trump continues to spew the Big Lie about winning the election, and there are people willing to take up arms to defend him on that (helped along by nonsense comments from MTG). That's DANGEROUS.
The rest of your post is just right-wing nonsense. In Trump's last year in office, the murder rate rose 28% or 30% (depending on which source you look at), and it was the highest rise in over a hundred years. The rate was then flat or up 4% (again depending on your source) in 2021, but violent crime actually went down. Your idea that we were without murder and other crime under Trump is delusional. He's cancer. You are an idiot to defend him or the time he was in office.
Does anyone even read what Flagople posts beside his wife and daughters and himself? Just utter nonsense.
Just a reminder of the high level of moranitude among McCarthy's detractors in the House. These are some of the worst Americans out there - stuffed full of right wing media lies, ready to overturn democracy, coup supporters, convinced that the Democrats are their enemies, etc. And these guys and gals are being offered more and more power by the GOP. We're all going to die.
NYT:
More than half of the lawmakers who voted against Mr. McCarthy explicitly denied the results of the 2020 election, compared with about 15 percent of the 222 total members in the Republican caucus, according to a New York Times analysis. These Republicans said that the election had been stolen or rigged — or that Donald J. Trump was the rightful winner — even though Joe Biden earned seven million more votes and 74 more electors than Mr. Trump. “President Trump won that election,” said Anna Paulina Luna of Florida, one of the five newcomers who opposed Mr. McCarthy’s speaker bid. Representatives Matt Gaetz of Florida and Andy Biggs of Arizona, who have emerged as ringleaders against Mr. McCarthy’s bid, have also called the 2020 election stolen. Nearly all of the lawmakers who voted against Mr. McCarthy made statements casting doubt on the 2020 election, often repeatedly, not unlike the overall Republican caucus. At least 180 of the 222 House Republicans have questioned the 2020 election, according to The Times’s analysis.
Just to piggy back on the dumbness of right wingers. How did they get so gullible to the Anti-govt blame game that Trump and the right wing ecosystem feeds them? Over and over we hear lawmakers and Trump himself blame the government as corrupt, blah, blah, blah. But nobody ever asks them why they are blaming the government when in fact they ARE THE FREEKING government! Trump would rail against all institutions he disagreed with at the same time that he controlled the institutions and they are his people running them. And if you believe all these institutions of government are so corrupt then why are you so desperate to join the government and get elected in the first place?
Of course the answer is very simple. It is just another lie that the base eats up and regurgitates on message boards like this.
Anti government sentiment used to be on the hippy left and the far left, especially during the Bush era. Now it’s fully on the right. Interesting how parties adapt. Republicans even pretend to be anti war now
Just to piggy back on the dumbness of right wingers. How did they get so gullible to the Anti-govt blame game that Trump and the right wing ecosystem feeds them? Over and over we hear lawmakers and Trump himself blame the government as corrupt, blah, blah, blah. But nobody ever asks them why they are blaming the government when in fact they ARE THE FREEKING government! Trump would rail against all institutions he disagreed with at the same time that he controlled the institutions and they are his people running them. And if you believe all these institutions of government are so corrupt then why are you so desperate to join the government and get elected in the first place?
Of course the answer is very simple. It is just another lie that the base eats up and regurgitates on message boards like this.
Anti government sentiment used to be on the hippy left and the far left, especially during the Bush era. Now it’s fully on the right. Interesting how parties adapt. Republicans even pretend to be anti war now
True. And good point.
But the hippies weren’t actually running the government at the same time they claimed the govt is evil and not to be trusted. This is the latest con that Trump and his conspiracy caucus play.
