hunter wheres the blow wrote:
John Wilkes Booth the communist????
Communist = anyone M-A-G-A Trumpers don't like.
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Biden pushing global vaccine passports -- today.
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Mick Joggerrr wrote:
There is no administration in history that has seen more people in their inner and outer circles be indicted and convicted. Some even got pardoned and returned to their criming! Then they get bailed out and do some more criming. And that is not including the hundreds of loyal followers with felony and criminal records for believing and obeying thier beloved leader and his big lie on Jan 6th.
That is why I have greater respect for a Trumper that at least admits that Trump is a Criminal and say that they are cool with it vs those that pretend he is innocent because he has yet to be indicted.
You've already forgot about the Clinton Administration?
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joedlrtball wrote:
Mick Joggerrr wrote:
There is no administration in history that has seen more people in their inner and outer circles be indicted and convicted. Some even got pardoned and returned to their criming! Then they get bailed out and do some more criming. And that is not including the hundreds of loyal followers with felony and criminal records for believing and obeying thier beloved leader and his big lie on Jan 6th.
That is why I have greater respect for a Trumper that at least admits that Trump is a Criminal and say that they are cool with it vs those that pretend he is innocent because he has yet to be indicted.
You've already forgot about the Clinton Administration?
Look, I didn't vote for him either, but come on, man: Fair is fair.
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Ivyguy wrote:
joedlrtball wrote:
You've already forgot about the Clinton Administration?
Look, I didn't vote for him either, but come on, man: Fair is fair.
Obama attacked five nations on lies and does not get indicted.
This means that the system is corrupt, not that Obama is clean
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Fair & impartial! Lolz!!!!
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Ivyguy wrote:
joedlrtball wrote:
You've already forgot about the Clinton Administration?
Look, I didn't vote for him either, but come on, man: Fair is fair.
And the source for this is?
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Academic Discussion wrote:
Ivyguy wrote:
Look, I didn't vote for him either, but come on, man: Fair is fair.
And the source for this is?
I looked at it with skepticism as well (it's an infographic with no basis in fact). I can think of at least 15 people indicted in Whitewater alone. Not to mention Sandy Berger eating of top-secret documents, the Clinton e-mail server, the Paula Jones thing, the Monica Lewinsky thing, a number of scandals involving the Clinton Foundation (which is essentially a pay to play scheme for special interests to gain access to government), etc. Trump's easier to go after because he's not a lawyer. The Clintons were both lawyers, so they had a better idea of how to work the system. The current administration has weaponized that system to maintain its power. All to control the trillions of dollars in federal spending and regulation of key industries. I can only think of 8 indictments so far in Trump's circle:
Here's the full list:
1. Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was convicted in 2018 on federal bank and tax fraud charges, pleaded guilty to more federal conspiracy charges, and was sentenced to seven and a half years in federal prison. Trump granted Manafort a full pardon in December 2020.
2. Former campaign chief Steve Bannon was charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering in connection with a scheme to defraud donors to fund a wall at the US southern border. Trump pardoned Bannon in January 2021 before he could face trial.
3. Informal Trump adviser and "fixer" Roger Stone was convicted on seven counts on obstruction, making false statements, and witness tampering in connection to the Mueller probe and was sentenced to three years in prison. Trump commuted Stone's sentence in July 2020 and fully pardoned him in December 2020.
4. Deputy Trump campaign manager Rick Gates, a key aide to Manafort, pleaded guilty to two counts of conspiracy and false statements and received only a 45-day sentence thanks to his extensive cooperation with investigators in the Mueller probe. He did not get a presidential pardon.
5. Trump's short-lived National Security Adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to one count of lying to the FBI in connection. Flynn, who went on to push conspiracy theories about non-existent fraud in the 2020 election, received a full pardon from Trump in November 2020.
6. Longtime Trump personal attorney Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to tax fraud, bank fraud, campaign finance violations, and lying to Congress in 2018, and was sentenced to three years in federal prison. Cohen, who turned on Trump after pleading guilty and cooperated with prosecutors, did not get a pardon.
7. Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI in connection to the Mueller probe and served 14 days in federal prison.
8. Trump Inaugural Committee chairman Tom Barrack was charged with federal crimes including unlawful lobbying, obstruction of justice, and making false statements to investigators in July 2021.10 -
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
Fair & impartial! Lolz!!!!
The wife of Justice Clarence Thomas participated in the plot to overturn the 2020 Presidential election. And the reason given for him not recusing from the case was that Clarence and Ginny were two different people.
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Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
Ghost of Disco Gary wrote:
Fair & impartial! Lolz!!!!
The wife of Justice Clarence Thomas participated in the plot to overturn the 2020 Presidential election. And the reason given for him not recusing from the case was that Clarence and Ginny were two different people.
Last I checked, Ginny was a private citizen and does not hold a political office. Do you think it is a crime for a private citizen to question the results of an election? Because if that is the case, a large portion of the country should be locked up in your opinion. Why are you so obsessed with Ginny?
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joedlrtball wrote:
Academic Discussion wrote:
And the source for this is?
I looked at it with skepticism as well (it's an infographic with no basis in fact). I can think of at least 15 people indicted in Whitewater alone. Not to mention Sandy Berger eating of top-secret documents, the Clinton e-mail server, the Paula Jones thing, the Monica Lewinsky thing, a number of scandals involving the Clinton Foundation (which is essentially a pay to play scheme for special interests to gain access to government), etc. Trump's easier to go after because he's not a lawyer. The Clintons were both lawyers, so they had a better idea of how to work the system. The current administration has weaponized that system to maintain its power. All to control the trillions of dollars in federal spending and regulation of key industries. {b}I can only think of 8 indictments so far in Trump's circle:[/b]
Here's the full list:
1. Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort was convicted in 2018 on federal bank and tax fraud charges, pleaded guilty to more federal conspiracy charges, and was sentenced to seven and a half years in federal prison. Trump granted Manafort a full pardon in December 2020.
2. Former campaign chief Steve Bannon was charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering in connection with a scheme to defraud donors to fund a wall at the US southern border. Trump pardoned Bannon in January 2021 before he could face trial.
3. Informal Trump adviser and "fixer" Roger Stone was convicted on seven counts on obstruction, making false statements, and witness tampering in connection to the Mueller probe and was sentenced to three years in prison. Trump commuted Stone's sentence in July 2020 and fully pardoned him in December 2020.
4. Deputy Trump campaign manager Rick Gates, a key aide to Manafort, pleaded guilty to two counts of conspiracy and false statements and received only a 45-day sentence thanks to his extensive cooperation with investigators in the Mueller probe. He did not get a presidential pardon.
5. Trump's short-lived National Security Adviser Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to one count of lying to the FBI in connection. Flynn, who went on to push conspiracy theories about non-existent fraud in the 2020 election, received a full pardon from Trump in November 2020.
6. Longtime Trump personal attorney Michael Cohen pleaded guilty to tax fraud, bank fraud, campaign finance violations, and lying to Congress in 2018, and was sentenced to three years in federal prison. Cohen, who turned on Trump after pleading guilty and cooperated with prosecutors, did not get a pardon.
7. Trump campaign foreign policy adviser George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI in connection to the Mueller probe and served 14 days in federal prison.
8. Trump Inaugural Committee chairman Tom Barrack was charged with federal crimes including unlawful lobbying, obstruction of justice, and making false statements to investigators in July 2021."only"
(it's actually a lot more - you don't even mention Trump's CFO who has admitted the Trump Org was a giant tax fraud machine)
now do how many indictments in the Biden or Obama circles.
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Ivyguy wrote:
joedlrtball wrote:
You've already forgot about the Clinton Administration?
Look, I didn't vote for him either, but come on, man: Fair is fair.
These are the same idiots who say Obama didn't have any scandals.
You can't take liberals seriously on any subject.
They are painfully stupid and hopeless corrupt.
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agip wrote:
"only"
(it's actually a lot more - you don't even mention Trump's CFO who has admitted the Trump Org was a giant tax fraud machine)
now do how many indictments in the Biden or Obama circles.
Oh, come on, you know the answer to that one.
DEEP STATE!
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Academic Discussion wrote:
Ivyguy wrote:
Look, I didn't vote for him either, but come on, man: Fair is fair.
And the source for this is?
I WAS WRONG--or at least misleading--and appreciate the skepticism! The funny thing is that I'm usually the skeptical one, at least about Dems.
That graphic references indictments, not individuals, and includes things like indictments against 25 Russians. Politifact does a decent job of dissecting all this:
"The claim is essentially on target for the Democratic presidents, but the comparison to the GOP presidents is overstated, because the numbers of Trump and Nixon administration indictments claimed are greatly exaggerated.
"Even so, with a generous count, there were roughly 142 people indicted in the three GOP presidents — far [fewer] than 317, but far more than the two under the Democrats."Again, thanks for speaking up. Glad to set the record straight.
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Ivyguy wrote:
Academic Discussion wrote:
And the source for this is?
I WAS WRONG--or at least misleading--and appreciate the skepticism! The funny thing is that I'm usually the skeptical one, at least about Dems.
That graphic references indictments, not individuals, and includes things like indictments against 25 Russians. Politifact does a decent job of dissecting all this:
"The claim is essentially on target for the Democratic presidents, but the comparison to the GOP presidents is overstated, because the numbers of Trump and Nixon administration indictments claimed are greatly exaggerated.
"Even so, with a generous count, there were roughly 142 people indicted in the three GOP presidents — far [fewer] than 317, but far more than the two under the Democrats."Again, thanks for speaking up. Glad to set the record straight.
Just to emphasize the serial criminality of Republican Presidents..from that factcheck:
Republicans: 142 indictments
Democrats: 2 indictments
Little more needs to be said. No wonder the Rs have won just a single popular vote since 1988: The nation doesn't trust them, for good reason.
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Maricopa county election officials in private location due to M.AG.A death threats about election fraud whipped up by Kari Lake and Trump
violence is not a bug it is a feature
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Mick joggerrr wrote:
Maricopa county election officials in private location due to M.AG.A death threats about election fraud whipped up by Kari Lake and Trump
violence is not a bug it is a feature
They whipped up the election fraud on their own.
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joedlrtball wrote:
Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
The wife of Justice Clarence Thomas participated in the plot to overturn the 2020 Presidential election. And the reason given for him not recusing from the case was that Clarence and Ginny were two different people.
Last I checked, Ginny was a private citizen and does not hold a political office. Do you think it is a crime for a private citizen to question the results of an election? Because if that is the case, a large portion of the country should be locked up in your opinion. Why are you so obsessed with Ginny?
Do you think Clarence can be objective in a case that directly involves his wife? That's the question. So, don' try to switch the subject.
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Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
joedlrtball wrote:
Last I checked, Ginny was a private citizen and does not hold a political office. Do you think it is a crime for a private citizen to question the results of an election? Because if that is the case, a large portion of the country should be locked up in your opinion. Why are you so obsessed with Ginny?
Do you think Clarence can be objective in a case that directly involves his wife? That's the question. So, don' try to switch the subject.
Which case directly involves his wife?
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