Russia has land borders with 16 countries totaling around 13866 miles. Of those 16 counties, 4 are members of NATO (Estonia, Latvia, Norway, and Poland), with a total land border measuring 619 miles. Therefore, NATO has surrounded just over 4% of Russia. Now, if Putin's invasion drives Finland to join NATO, then the total will more than double to 1409 miles (~10%). So, your claims that NATO has surrounded Russia are absolutely laughable, as are your claims that NATO has "relentlessly" expanded to Russia's border.
Now, before you start your next uneducated rant fueled by watching too many conspiracy theorist videos, please answer the very simple questions I asked.
Is it wrong for Russia to invade Ukraine?
Why do you think the video in post #3393 is "absurd propaganda" and not a legitimate video showing Russian dropped getting blown to little tiny pieces that are so small that nobody will bother scraping the bits off the rocks and sending them home?
List of nations added with year of entry since USSR fell: Hungary (1999) Poland (1999) Czech Republic (1999) Romania (2004) Slovakia (2004) Slovenia (2004) Bulgaria (2004) Estonia (2004) Latvia (2004) Lithuania (2004) Albania (2009) Croatia (2009) Montenegro (2017) Northern Macedonia (2020)
You didn't ask if NATO expanded (of course it has - lots of countries want to support western style democracies since watching the abject failure of the USSR. It helps when Russia is a belligerent neighbor, so countries feel the need for protection from Putin.) But, your post asserted that NATO has relentlessly expanded to Russia's border and I pointed out that that relentless expansion has led to Russia having NATO countries on 4% of the their borders (of course, their latest miscalculation is going to double that). That's hardly "surrounding" Russia. Hell, the three counties with the longest borders with Russia (Kazakhstan, China, and Mongolia) do not have any US bases. By your logic, Russia has the US and NATO surrounded.
No. You haven't answered it. You've given reasons why you think Russia invaded. But, you haven't said whether you think those reasons make it right for Russia to invade Ukraine.
Why I "think" they invaded?
Right. My mistake. You are incapable of thought. The reasons that Putin has said Russia invaded that you then parroted.
Big day for the LRC pro-Putinites. They set their alarm clocks for early so they could get up and watch Putin talk at the Russian “Victory” parade. They are a teary-eyed little group right now.
Common sense says that the US never sent troops or had any military action in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Georgia, Djibouti, Kenya, Ethiopia, Eritrea. Why would they? Most Americans haven't even heard of those countries. I'm not even convinced Djibouti is a real place (wasn't that the planet in Avatar?) And we all know Georgia is just North Florida. Any evidence to the contrary is clearly anti-American propaganda. So, since the US military has just sat around doing nothing for the last two decades, why is Russia so scared of America?
(You're kinda slow, so I feel the need to point out that this is sarcasm. I'm calling out the fact that you can't provide any evidence that a bunch of Russian sailors didn't get turned into fish food in the video.)
I get it.
You are portraying a pro establishment shill and making him look stupid.
You are on my side.
You're going to have to go back to Google Translate on this one, because it makes zero sense.
List of nations added with year of entry since USSR fell: Hungary (1999) Poland (1999) Czech Republic (1999) Romania (2004) Slovakia (2004) Slovenia (2004) Bulgaria (2004) Estonia (2004) Latvia (2004) Lithuania (2004) Albania (2009) Croatia (2009) Montenegro (2017) Northern Macedonia (2020)
You didn't ask if NATO expanded (of course it has - lots of countries want to support western style democracies since watching the abject failure of the USSR. It helps when Russia is a belligerent neighbor, so countries feel the need for protection from Putin.) But, your post asserted that NATO has relentlessly expanded to Russia's border and I pointed out that that relentless expansion has led to Russia having NATO countries on 4% of the their borders (of course, their latest miscalculation is going to double that). That's hardly "surrounding" Russia. Hell, the three counties with the longest borders with Russia (Kazakhstan, China, and Mongolia) do not have any US bases. By your logic, Russia has the US and NATO surrounded.
Do you know where the following nations are located?
Hungary (1999) Poland (1999) Czech Republic (1999) Romania (2004) Slovakia (2004) Slovenia (2004) Bulgaria (2004) Estonia (2004) Latvia (2004) Lithuania (2004) Albania (2009) Croatia (2009) Montenegro (2017) Northern Macedonia (2020)
Your "proof" that the USA/Israel is not surrounding Russia with bases is there are none in China!
You have taken ridiculousness to a whole new level.
I think his proof was the simple math facts he gave you earlier. Here they are again:
"Russia has land borders with 16 countries totaling around 13866 miles. Of those 16 counties, 4 are members of NATO (Estonia, Latvia, Norway, and Poland), with a total land border measuring 619 miles. Therefore, NATO has surrounded just over 4% of Russia. Now, if Putin's invasion drives Finland to join NATO, then the total will more than double to 1409 miles (~10%). So, your claims that NATO has surrounded Russia are absolutely laughable, as are your claims that NATO has "relentlessly" expanded to Russia's border."
That would be conclusive proof that your exaggerations are wrong. You never provided any rebuttal evidence, despite multiple opportunities. That is called "failure" and if you had any kind of self-awareness, you would be embarrassed by it.
Your "proof" that the USA/Israel is not surrounding Russia with bases is there are none in China!
You have taken ridiculousness to a whole new level.
I think his proof was the simple math facts he gave you earlier. Here they are again:
"Russia has land borders with 16 countries totaling around 13866 miles. Of those 16 counties, 4 are members of NATO (Estonia, Latvia, Norway, and Poland), with a total land border measuring 619 miles. Therefore, NATO has surrounded just over 4% of Russia. Now, if Putin's invasion drives Finland to join NATO, then the total will more than double to 1409 miles (~10%). So, your claims that NATO has surrounded Russia are absolutely laughable, as are your claims that NATO has "relentlessly" expanded to Russia's border."
That would be conclusive proof that your exaggerations are wrong. You never provided any rebuttal evidence, despite multiple opportunities. That is called "failure" and if you had any kind of self-awareness, you would be embarrassed by it.
How many bases doe Russia have as close to DC as US/Israel/NATO has near Moscow?
I think his proof was the simple math facts he gave you earlier. Here they are again:
"Russia has land borders with 16 countries totaling around 13866 miles. Of those 16 counties, 4 are members of NATO (Estonia, Latvia, Norway, and Poland), with a total land border measuring 619 miles. Therefore, NATO has surrounded just over 4% of Russia. Now, if Putin's invasion drives Finland to join NATO, then the total will more than double to 1409 miles (~10%). So, your claims that NATO has surrounded Russia are absolutely laughable, as are your claims that NATO has "relentlessly" expanded to Russia's border."
That would be conclusive proof that your exaggerations are wrong. You never provided any rebuttal evidence, despite multiple opportunities. That is called "failure" and if you had any kind of self-awareness, you would be embarrassed by it.
How many bases doe Russia have as close to DC as US/Israel/NATO has near Moscow?
That wasn't what you said though,you said the US/Israel is surrounding Russia with bases.
Yet again you have been owned and proven wrong by simple facts.
I think his proof was the simple math facts he gave you earlier. Here they are again:
"Russia has land borders with 16 countries totaling around 13866 miles. Of those 16 counties, 4 are members of NATO (Estonia, Latvia, Norway, and Poland), with a total land border measuring 619 miles. Therefore, NATO has surrounded just over 4% of Russia. Now, if Putin's invasion drives Finland to join NATO, then the total will more than double to 1409 miles (~10%). So, your claims that NATO has surrounded Russia are absolutely laughable, as are your claims that NATO has "relentlessly" expanded to Russia's border."
That would be conclusive proof that your exaggerations are wrong. You never provided any rebuttal evidence, despite multiple opportunities. That is called "failure" and if you had any kind of self-awareness, you would be embarrassed by it.
How many bases doe Russia have as close to DC as US/Israel/NATO has near Moscow?
None. And they never will. Was there any point to that dumb question?
In any case, you're previous rhetorical questions: (1) "Does USA/Israel/NATO not surround Russia with military bases?" and (2) "Has NATO not relentlessly expanded to Russia's border?" were answered and refuted by LavrovTheMoney with these facts:
"Russia has land borders with 16 countries totaling around 13866 miles. Of those 16 counties, 4 are members of NATO (Estonia, Latvia, Norway, and Poland), with a total land border measuring 619 miles. Therefore, NATO has surrounded just over 4% of Russia. Now, if Putin's invasion drives Finland to join NATO, then the total will more than double to 1409 miles (~10%). So, your claims that NATO has surrounded Russia are absolutely laughable, as are your claims that NATO has "relentlessly" expanded to Russia's border."
As explained above, you have not attempted to rebut that at all. Total failure by you, hence your attempts to change the conversation (with even dumber rhetorical questions).