Alec Baldwin just shot and KILLED a woman on a movie set

danube steak wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

He was told the gun was safe and therefore unloaded. So he shouldn't believe what the assistant director said who supplied it? Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

You are a first-time bungee chord jumper jumping off a bridge a mile high. The people operating the jump have told you that you are ready to go. Are you not going to look down to make sure the bungee chord is attached to your ankle?

False analogy. It is attached to your ankle. What you aren't going to do is question whether they know how to operate the device or that the chord is the right length. You will trust them to be professional and that they know what they are doing.

Armstronglivs wrote:

danube steak wrote:

You are a first-time bungee chord jumper jumping off a bridge a mile high. The people operating the jump have told you that you are ready to go. Are you not going to look down to make sure the bungee chord is attached to your ankle?

False analogy. It is attached to your ankle. What you aren't going to do is question whether they know how to operate the device or that the chord is the right length. You will trust them to be professional and that they know what they are doing.

That is silly. I have seen videos where the chord was not attached and the person fell to his or her death. Mistakes happen.

danube steak wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

False analogy. It is attached to your ankle. What you aren't going to do is question whether they know how to operate the device or that the chord is the right length. You will trust them to be professional and that they know what they are doing.

That is silly. I have seen videos where the chord was not attached and the person fell to his or her death. Mistakes happen.

Yes, mistakes sometimes do happen. And that is the point.

Yes they do. And when somebody dies as a result, somebody goes to jail. Shooting somebody by accident is like driving while reading a newspaper in your lap and not seeing the person in the crosswalk.

Baldwin's error was playing quick draw practice before the equipment was ready. Three people were behind the camera setting the shot up. He pointed the gun straight at them while practicing his quick draw. The second time he managed to pull the gun as he pulled the gun upward and hit the director of photography in the chest. The blank went through her and struck the director who was behind her.

And it Baldwin's error for pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger. There is no reason for that while practicing for a scene that isn't ready yet. There was no chance to put shielding up and get people out of the line of sight. It's like they were in a super hurry to finish this low budget "epic" since they didn't have the money to pay the crew.

Making matters worse was that the crew was screwing around and using that exact gun to play target practice on the set. This seems to have been a large caliber gun that blew things to pieces that shot a blank, or smaller caliber gun that shot a live round placed in it by a crew member goofing off.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/24/halyna-hutchins-killed-by-rust-prop-gun-used-by-crew-off-set-for-fun-report/

.44 wrote:

.The blank went through her and struck the director who was behind her. /

I’m no expert but I know that blanks don’t go through people and hit other people after. They call those things bullets I think.

You are correct. He shot two people with a bullet and killed one. Being on a movie set does not change the law.

Bald Always Win wrote:

You are correct. He shot two people with a bullet and killed one. Being on a movie set does not change the law.

I agree with you

otter wrote:

.44 wrote:

.The blank went through her and struck the director who was behind her. /

I’m no expert but I know that blanks don’t go through people and hit other people after.

Yes, you are no expert. It depends on the size of the blank and the range, and what the "wad" went through. A blank wad went through the skull of an actor playing around.

otter wrote:

Bald Always Win wrote:

You are correct. He shot two people with a bullet and killed one. Being on a movie set does not change the law.

I agree with you

But you said you are not an expert. Your agreement has no value.

Really? This forum would cease to exist if posters are only allowed to comment on topics for which they are experts.

danube steak wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

But he is a liberal. That makes him tantamount to a criminal here.

And because he is a liberal is why you and Flagpole and the rest of your brethren will defend him no matter what.

That's nonsense. He comes across as being an absolute jerk and I doubt many people are going to support him just because he is a liberal.

You are incorrect. Imagine for a moment that a police officer accidentally killed a friend at a party from pretending to shoot him with what he thought was an empty gun. The cop would be in jail already and nearly everyone would be demanding that he go to prison for life. Laws don't treat actors different than others which should mean that there will be a trial.

Bald Always Win wrote:

You are incorrect. Imagine for a moment that a police officer accidentally killed a friend at a party from pretending to shoot him with what he thought was an empty gun. The cop would be in jail already and nearly everyone would be demanding that he go to prison for life. Laws don't treat actors different than others which should mean that there will be a trial.

Of course a police officer is going to be held to a higher standard than an actor on a set. He is the gun expert.

So many posters have been stating Baldwin's guilt as a fact. Are there any articles online where an attorney with experience in accidental shootings has had the same opinion?

Bald Always Win wrote:

You are incorrect. Imagine for a moment that a police officer accidentally killed a friend at a party from pretending to shoot him with what he thought was an empty gun. The cop would be in jail already and nearly everyone would be demanding that he go to prison for life. Laws don't treat actors different than others which should mean that there will be a trial.

Its ultimately up to the DA whether or not to pursue charges. Baldwin is rich and connected and there wasn't any intent so he's unlikely to face trial. There will probably be a substantial payment from the production company to the victims families.

LOL at the internet lawyers and judges weighing in on this thread.