Serious thread about election fraud

YMMV wrote:

When Trump was elected in 2016, Dems immediately began beating the conspiracy theory drum "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA! PUTIN THREW THE ELECTION" and for the next years wasted untold public funds and energy trying to create a scandal out of thin air.

Now that early returns are in favor of Biden, it's "PERFECT ELECTION! THERE WAS NO FRAUD! PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN!" LOL.

Remember, Al Gore was the "new president" for 37 days in 2000. Let's see if Biden can outperform that.

In case you don't remember the Mueller investigation produced 34 indictments and concluded that Russia DID interfere with the 2016 election.

I'm not saying the interference made the election illegitimate. No one should be claiming that, we just can't know.

Please stop pretending the Russia investigation was some kind of sour grapes when it produced actual proof of election interference.

highhoppingworm wrote:

I am going to re-post because my post is being ignored. This thread is intended to be a serious discussion on voter fraud. I want someone to provide a single case of proven and documented voter fraud in this election cycle that led to an illegally cast Biden vote.

The ability to provide a single case does not prove a massive conspiracy but the inability to prove even one certainly brings into question the veracity of the platform upon which Trumpism is shouting from at the moment.

So again I ask... one case. That has to be doable for this intellectually rigorous and research oriented bunch right?

Eye witness accounts *are* considered evidence. The Trump administration has sworn affidavits from people claiming they witnessed various forms of voter fraud. I don't have these affidavits in front of me but they are the basis of several Trump administration lawsuits.

Dead people voting would be voter fraud. Over 3,000 dead people voted in Nevada; that means 3,000 cases of voter fraud. If you go to the Nevada state election website, you can search older names and check voter status and compare it to DOB/obituaries.

"Whistler blowers" may or may not have evidence; but credible whistler blower complaints should get some level of investigation where evidence could be discovered.

Poll watcher were refused entry into some counting sites in Philadelphia. This is against the law and their physical removal from the voting room is evidence of election malfeasance. Without those polls watchers in the room, it's quite possible that those votes will be invalidated.

I don't know what else you'd need as evidence. Voter fraud is not a crime that involves a bloody glove or bullet & gun.

I welcome an investigation into any irregularities but seriously he's just an incredibly sore loser who claims fraud when the votes don't go his way.

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the beagle wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Biden underperformed in votes v. Obama and Clinton in every state except, as if by magic, GA, NV, MI and PA, all after polls had closed and in many cases votes were tallied without observation. Just like how Biden was installed as the D candidate, he is being installed into the presidency itself.

I picked a state by random to check this.

MA

2020 (not finished) 2,316,338

2016 1,995,196

2012 1,921,290

2008 1,904.098

Literally took me one random state to find out that your statement was false. This is why threads like this are a joke. You can just keep claiming falsehoods in perpetuity.

Proof being he just blew past being called out in this lie and kept posting more trash.

One ballot please. Correct, it is not a crime perpetrated with a gun and a knife. But, for example, if someone was illegally requesting ballots on behalf of dead people and submitting them for Biden you should be able to prove that right? Or, if a single ballot counter was mis-tallying votes you should be able to systemically prove that right? Give me something besides tap-dancing and unreleased affidavits of politically motivated "eye witnesses".

I also recommend you re-read your post out-loud and listen to how ridiculous you sound.

george c wrote:

[quote]YMMV wrote:

Why aren't the republicans investigating Florida, Texas, Ohio, & North Carolina? States in which Trump underperformed?

Trump did not underperform in those states. Trump did FAR better than expecations.

Nate Cohn predicted Trump would win Texas by 4%. Trump won by 7.8% (overperforming by nearly 4%). He predicted Biden would win Florida by 3. Biden lost by 3.3 (Trump overperformed by 6.6%).

How about North Carolina? Biden was up 3%. Trump is winning by 1.4% (overperforming by 4.4%). Quinnipiac poll predicted Biden would win Ohio by 4%. Trump won it by 8.2% (overperforming by 12.2%)

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM wrote:

Its illogical to believe in election fraud. Massive conspiracies can’t be covered up or hidden.

This is the reason why Hillary Clinton’s emails conspiracy was a joke. Trump had the might of the government, justice department, house and senate control the 1st 2 years in office. If there was something there he could have exposed her and arrested her.

If the federal government can stop 15 people from conspiring trying to abduct the governor of Michigan and kill her they can stop and expose hundreds if not thousands of people from conspiring to commit massive voter fraud during one of the most heavily watched/reported on elections in recent memory.

And Trump-Russia collusion hoax.

How many people does it take to hack a few computers?

I'm liberal and agree with you about male to female transitions and that a viable fetus shouldn't be aborted (maybe a fringe case like the mother's life is in danger). I think you'd have to go pretty far left to find disagreement, we're talking like 10% of of the left. I'm sure I could find views of the 10% extreme right that you might not agree with, but let's not either of us pretend that's a core view.

So - we agree on something. That's step 1 to finding common ground.

NoJustNo wrote:

Furthermore it was PROVEN that Gore actually got more votes and only the SCOTUS prevented the results from being counted.

Without doubt, there are more ballots in Pennsylvania/Philadelphia that have Biden votes on them.

Whether they are legal votes, valid votes, or properly-counted votes is the question.

The Trump administration is going to make the case that a lot of these votes are illegal, invalid, and improperly-counted.

If they lose in a lower court, they'll appeal to a higher-court and eventually appeal to the Supreme Court.

This is where a conservative-leaning court, including a judge that was viciously slandered by Biden during his confirmation, will have the final call just like in 2000.

Buckle up.

There is one fundamental difference from 2000 that you are choosing to ignore. This election wasn't particularly close.

naturopaths4trump wrote:

Lead Foil Hat wrote:

I can guarantee you that the liberal/conservative split among scientists is about 50/50 trending towards more conservatives. Liberalism in recent years has done so much damage to the name of science and scientific progress it is disgusting that you actually think that. You don't know what you are talking about; that is not up for debate.

Congrats, this is the dumbest post I've read all day!

"We're turning the corner on this virus"

"Windmills cause cancer"

And other stupid sh*t the GOP enables Trump to say

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Oof. 50/50 split between republicans and democrats who are "scientist". I guess how we define a scientist is important here but holy cow. How someone could even put their socks on in the morning while believing something like the above is beyond my ability to comprehend.

Do you understand the legal process? An investigation will be conducted and we'll see if it turns anything up. Eye witness accounts and sworn affidavits are enough to conduct an investigation.

We've had 4 years of all kinds of investigations tasked with looking for evidence. We should all be familiar with how this works by this time.

Why are there always people on here who are like 1990s cartoons. Literally all they care about is abortion. Society has passed you by on this one, sorry dudes. Go complain to your buddy at church.

krispy kremlin._._._._. wrote:

Without doubt, there are more ballots in Pennsylvania/Philadelphia that have Biden votes on them.

Whether they are legal votes, valid votes, or properly-counted votes is the question.

The Trump administration is going to make the case that a lot of these votes are illegal, invalid, and improperly-counted.

If they lose in a lower court, they'll appeal to a higher-court and eventually appeal to the Supreme Court.

This is where a conservative-leaning court, including a judge that was viciously slandered by Biden during his confirmation, will have the final call just like in 2000.

Buckle up.

Lol. No chance any of these cases make it to the Supreme court with any evidence. The SCOTUS doesn't just hear cases because the president begs them.

ernest 1978 wrote:

Trump did not underperform in those states. Trump did FAR better than expecations.

Nate Cohn predicted Trump would win Texas by 4%. Trump won by 7.8% (overperforming by nearly 4%). He predicted Biden would win Florida by 3. Biden lost by 3.3 (Trump overperformed by 6.6%).

How about North Carolina? Biden was up 3%. Trump is winning by 1.4% (overperforming by 4.4%). Quinnipiac poll predicted Biden would win Ohio by 4%. Trump won it by 8.2% (overperforming by 12.2%)

You are using polls to determine over/under performing? Compare to 2016, an actual quantative comparison. However, the point is that the GOP believes there is widespread fraud...............but only in states they needed and lost. Forget the nearly 800,000 in Florida who were not allow to vote via poll tax, the 400,000 rejected in GA for crossing, not swooshing the t's in their names, Houston moving precincts for inner city to 10-16 miles away, one drop off spot for a very large TX county, There is no reason to deny a Election Security bill unless you do not want election security. The GOP senate would not even put it up for a vote, 3 times. But it is the Dems who are cheating?

highhoppingworm wrote:

One ballot please. Correct, it is not a crime perpetrated with a gun and a knife. But, for example, if someone was illegally requesting ballots on behalf of dead people and submitting them for Biden you should be able to prove that right? Or, if a single ballot counter was mis-tallying votes you should be able to systemically prove that right? Give me something besides tap-dancing and unreleased affidavits of politically motivated "eye witnesses".

I also recommend you re-read your post out-loud and listen to how ridiculous you sound.

Why would you expect a poster here to have in their personal possession a fraudulent ballot cast in the 2020 election? There are tons of suspicious activity and people already posted specific examples of dead people voting.

You demand evidence but you don't want an investigation? You clearly don't want the truth. You don't want fairness. You just want your guy to win.

Cool. So what you are saying is that you look forward to a targeted investigation tied directly to affidavits and other yet unsubstantiated evidence that may or may not yield voter fraud. Correct?

Do you understand how different that sounds than the tenor of this thread?

ernest 1978 wrote:

Why would you expect a poster here to have in their personal possession a fraudulent ballot cast in the 2020 election? There are tons of suspicious activity and people already posted specific examples of dead people voting.

You demand evidence but you don't want an investigation? You clearly don't want the truth. You don't want fairness. You just want your guy to win.

I'm fine with an investigation. I think it's telling though that none of Trump's lawsuits to date have any traction. We will wait to see.

Incorrect. I am absolutely OK with targeted investigations tied directly to specifically to discrete complaints of fraud. This is similar to what I would expect in any election... which... dum dum dum... had not led to anything systemic and has typically favored GOP candidates.

What I am NOT OK WITH is declaring the entire election a fraud and massive conspiracy perpetrated to remove Trump from office.

Does that make sense?

Maybe I will say it a bit softer... please provide evidence of a single ballot of voter fraud in Biden's favor. I know this may be difficult now because these investigations are ongoing so perhaps you should stop proclaiming you know the outcome.