DJT indicted on four counts related to January 6

SB wrote:

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

He did.

The problem with this isn't that it's illegal. The problem is that it isn't illegal.

If you want to be sincerely angry about outsized corporate influence over the government, you'd have plenty of allies here, but you'd have to find someone other than Trump as your flag bearer.

To the point of the thread, though, even if Biden IS guilty of using his position to enrich himself financially, is this comparable to lying in order to stop the peaceful transfer of Presidential power and setting in train everything that has followed from it (including the targeting or private citizens for harassment, including threats of death)?

I mean, how much money could Biden have actually taken from anyone stupid enough to give it to him, thinking he's going to "make it rain" for them? And what he's accused of is very close to what amounts to just being lobbied in return for a campaign contribution in the US system. It's unethical, but so is lots of what's legal in US politics today. It's probably this, rather than the fact that people don't believe it, that has people so nonplussed about these accusations against Biden.

In other words, even if all of the far right's fantasies about Biden are true, Trump and Trumpism are by far worse for the country. Sound familiar?

Here's yet another problem with this fascist: Sometimes he pretends as if he believes Trump is guilty of most or all of what he's accused of, and that what he's really upset about (on behalf of all the "non-Democrats" out there) is the hypocrisy of Trump being prosecuted and not Biden. But other times, when confronted with the difference between what Trump stands accused of and what the far right is accusing Biden of, he reverts to his ACTUAL position, which is that Trump isn't really guilty of anything.

This guy isn't stupid, but he is incredibly intellectually dishonest. Turns out he's also a little bit ingenue in his outrage against Biden, for all his cynicism hard-ass posturing.

SB wrote:

Monkeys Skyping wrote:

He did.

The problem with this isn't that it's illegal. The problem is that it isn't illegal.

If you want to be sincerely angry about outsized corporate influence over the government, you'd have plenty of allies here, but you'd have to find someone other than Trump as your flag bearer.

To the point of the thread, though, even if Biden IS guilty of using his position to enrich himself financially, is this comparable to lying in order to stop the peaceful transfer of Presidential power and setting in train everything that has followed from it (including the targeting or private citizens for harassment, including threats of death)?

I mean, how much money could Biden have actually taken from anyone stupid enough to give it to him, thinking he's going to "make it rain" for them? And what he's accused of is very close to what amounts to just being lobbied in return for a campaign contribution in the US system. It's unethical, but so is lots of what's legal in US politics today. It's probably this, rather than the fact that people don't believe it, that has people so nonplussed about these accusations against Biden.

In other words, even if all of the far right's fantasies about Biden are true, Trump and Trumpism are by far worse for the country. Sound familiar?

Here's yet another problem with this fascist: Sometimes he pretends as if he believes Trump is guilty of most or all of what he's accused of, and that what he's really upset about (on behalf of all the "non-Democrats" out there) is the hypocrisy of Trump being prosecuted and not Biden. But other times, when confronted with the difference between what Trump stands accused of and what the far right is accusing Biden of, he reverts to his ACTUAL position, which is that Trump isn't really guilty of anything.

This guy isn't stupid, but he is incredibly intellectually dishonest. Turns out he's also a little bit ingenue in his outrage against Biden, for all his cynicism hard-ass posturing.

Nonequals wrote:

SB wrote:

To the point of the thread, though, even if Biden IS guilty of using his position to enrich himself financially, is this comparable to lying in order to stop the peaceful transfer of Presidential power and setting in train everything that has followed from it (including the targeting or private citizens for harassment, including threats of death)?

I mean, how much money could Biden have actually taken from anyone stupid enough to give it to him, thinking he's going to "make it rain" for them? And what he's accused of is very close to what amounts to just being lobbied in return for a campaign contribution in the US system. It's unethical, but so is lots of what's legal in US politics today. It's probably this, rather than the fact that people don't believe it, that has people so nonplussed about these accusations against Biden.

In other words, even if all of the far right's fantasies about Biden are true, Trump and Trumpism are by far worse for the country. Sound familiar?

Here's yet another problem with this fascist: Sometimes he pretends as if he believes Trump is guilty of most or all of what he's accused of, and that what he's really upset about (on behalf of all the "non-Democrats" out there) is the hypocrisy of Trump being prosecuted and not Biden. But other times, when confronted with the difference between what Trump stands accused of and what the far right is accusing Biden of, he reverts to his ACTUAL position, which is that Trump isn't really guilty of anything.

This guy isn't stupid, but he is incredibly intellectually dishonest. Turns out he's also a little bit ingenue in his outrage against Biden, for all his cynicism hard-ass posturing.

Oh, the quotes that could be amassed countering this assertion !!!

I mean, I appreciate your intellectual analysis of his character, and your desire to be maximally fair, but....I just have a hard time not labeling someone who CONSTANTLY says stupid things as not being stupid.

But yeah, we've all seen the type, from grade school, on: The occasional glimpses of not-COMPLETE-moran that are MORE than counter-balanced by constant displays of idiocy, inconsistency, stupid hyperbole, etc.

Perhaps I'd roughly quantify it this way: 100-barely-plus IQ + Horrendous Habits of Mind = STUPID.

Unfortunately, as you've noted, this guy fortifies that poor sum with horrendous character.

TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:

SB wrote:

To the point of the thread, though, even if Biden IS guilty of using his position to enrich himself financially, is this comparable to lying in order to stop the peaceful transfer of Presidential power and setting in train everything that has followed from it (including the targeting or private citizens for harassment, including threats of death)?

I mean, how much money could Biden have actually taken from anyone stupid enough to give it to him, thinking he's going to "make it rain" for them? And what he's accused of is very close to what amounts to just being lobbied in return for a campaign contribution in the US system. It's unethical, but so is lots of what's legal in US politics today. It's probably this, rather than the fact that people don't believe it, that has people so nonplussed about these accusations against Biden.

In other words, even if all of the far right's fantasies about Biden are true, Trump and Trumpism are by far worse for the country. Sound familiar?

Here's yet another problem with this fascist: Sometimes he pretends as if he believes Trump is guilty of most or all of what he's accused of, and that what he's really upset about (on behalf of all the "non-Democrats" out there) is the hypocrisy of Trump being prosecuted and not Biden. But other times, when confronted with the difference between what Trump stands accused of and what the far right is accusing Biden of, he reverts to his ACTUAL position, which is that Trump isn't really guilty of anything.

This guy isn't stupid, but he is incredibly intellectually dishonest. Turns out he's also a little bit ingenue in his outrage against Biden, for all his cynicism hard-ass posturing.

Do you honestly think Trump believes he lost the election fairly?

You can't possibly believe that.

Fell in love with a clown at a moron show wrote:

Nonequals wrote:

A lot of the time when I see the convictions/sentencing of the Jan 6 lovelies, I'm pleased, but also think some combination of:

1) The guy who instigated/inspired/etc. the whole thing hasn't spent a second in jail.

2) He may never spend a second in jail.

3) He's currently the GOP's choice to be the most powerful person in the world, A-GAIN.

M.A.G.A. isn't a cult. It only stays alive because its members want it to exist. They want a world where they can be racist, sexist and violent. They want to be able to oppress people for thier own enjoyment.

TFG deserves a lot of punishment, including jail time, for the things he did, but don't compare his consequences with theirs. They didn't do these things because he told them to; they did them because they wanted an excuse to do them, and he gave them an excuse.