Trumper — Bunch of reasons … but he’s the only president of the last few decades who opposes the forever wars we’ve been in.
Interested Observer. — why are those wars bad?
Trumper — They’re bad for the economy, they wreak havoc on the young men of the country, they weigh heavily on families, and they leave scars that can last decades.
Interested Observer — So how do you plan to support your champion in his righteous crusade against the neoliberal uniparty warmongers who blithely allow this harm to be visited upon America?
The problem for the Republicans is that there is a substantial portion of the base that will vote for Trump or not turn out to vote at all. They don't care if it's a "losing hand" so much as they just want to burn down the federal government.
Well, burn "down the federal government" is a bit overstated for the vast majority, but it'll do.
They get extra odd when clowns like S Palin start speaking of "civil war" (logistics and a host of other problems aside), and the cheers arise from people who welcome the joy, sunshine, and new dawn of civil war but (reasonably enough) were concerned about the amount of trauma that would be inflicted on their children from the dystopian horror of having to wear masks and take classes on a computer.
Trumper — Bunch of reasons … but he’s the only president of the last few decades who opposes the forever wars we’ve been in.
Interested Observer. — why are those wars bad?
Trumper — They’re bad for the economy, they wreak havoc on the young men of the country, they weigh heavily on families, and they leave scars that can last decades.
Interested Observer — So how do you plan to support your champion in his righteous crusade against the neoliberal uniparty warmongers who blithely allow this harm to be visited upon America?
Well, burn "down the federal government" is a bit overstated for the vast majority, but it'll do.
They get extra odd when clowns like S Palin start speaking of "civil war" (logistics and a host of other problems aside), and the cheers arise from people who welcome the joy, sunshine, and new dawn of civil war but (reasonably enough) were concerned about the amount of trauma that would be inflicted on their children from the dystopian horror of having to wear masks and take classes on a computer.
Clever. Although I fixed it a bit.
Never thought of it before, but COVID's impact on education IS a place where Trumpers and bleeding hearts kind of come together:
Bleeding Hearts: "COVID was SO, SO, traumatic and damaging to our children and their learning!!" (...kind of begging the question, "How don't most or all home-schooled kids spend the rest of their lives in group homes?").
Trumpers: "COVID was SO, SO bad for our children because claiming so gives me something to yell about regarding 'liberals' !!!"
I mostly agree. And I suspect that a few years ago, the “both sides” stuff was worse. I think that perhaps it’s gotten a bit better. But not certain.
Still, approaching a decade of intense exposure to Trump, I have a very hard time not placing the vast majority of the blame on THE PEOPLE.
There is zero blame on Thr People. we voted. one side could not handle defeat and started labeling their choice and his supporters as Russian Assets, and we defended. and we were correct. this is 109% on the new wave communists trying to coup this country. But we got it. it’s our country.
Maybe Rudy is planning on actually being his attorneys unlike the Orange Turd
There is zero blame on Thr People. we voted. one side could not handle defeat and started labeling their choice and his supporters as Russian Assets, and we defended. and we were correct. this is 109% on the new wave communists trying to coup this country. But we got it. it’s our country.
Maybe Rudy is planning on actually being his attorneys unlike the Orange Turd
Poor Rudy…I hope they rule that he has to pay out the nose to those poll workers he defamed and is a state of being destitute for the remainder of his life. There will be a special place in hell for him.
Poor Rudy…I hope they rule that he has to pay out the nose to those poll workers he defamed and is a state of being destitute for the remainder of his life. There will be a special place in hell for him.
By court order, he is already liable to Freeman and Moss (Georgia election workers) for over $200k in legal fees and that number is going to climb a lot as this goes forward. I doubt Giuliani is going to put up a defense on the damages portion of the trial because his lawyers want out, so he will be on the hook for more attorneys' fees and some enormous, unchallenged award.
Giuliani is broke and unable to defend the criminal case against him, and the other criminal and civil cases that are sure to be filed in the next year. He will absolutely be filing for bankruptcy, and contrary to popular belief, bankruptcy leaves you flat broke. Giuliani will live the rest of his life broke and the majority of money he earns with what is left of his celebrity is going to be sent to others.
Some real cosmic unfairness to all this. Giuliani tied his entire life's work to Trump's wagon, fought and crimed as hard as any of Trump's other criminal gang, was totally used and abused by Trump (Trump even plastered him with a plate of spaghetti), and then Giuliani ended up broke for his efforts, while Trump will emerge unscathed, at least financially.
Poor Rudy…I hope they rule that he has to pay out the nose to those poll workers he defamed and is a state of being destitute for the remainder of his life. There will be a special place in hell for him.
By court order, he is already liable to Freeman and Moss (Georgia election workers) for over $200k in legal fees and that number is going to climb a lot as this goes forward. I doubt Giuliani is going to put up a defense on the damages portion of the trial because his lawyers want out, so he will be on the hook for more attorneys' fees and some enormous, unchallenged award.
Giuliani is broke and unable to defend the criminal case against him, and the other criminal and civil cases that are sure to be filed in the next year. He will absolutely be filing for bankruptcy, and contrary to popular belief, bankruptcy leaves you flat broke. Giuliani will live the rest of his life broke and the majority of money he earns with what is left of his celebrity is going to be sent to others.
Some real cosmic unfairness to all this. Giuliani tied his entire life's work to Trump's wagon, fought and crimed as hard as any of Trump's other criminal gang, was totally used and abused by Trump (Trump even plastered him with a plate of spaghetti), and then Giuliani ended up broke for his efforts, while Trump will emerge unscathed, at least financially.
Imagine these two relatively poor women, volunteering to help with the election believing it is their duty as American Citizens (like hundreds of thousands of other volunteers across the US). Then you find yourself a victim of a broad right wing smear and slander campaign for simply being caught on video passing a ginger mint. And then you get a visit from another Trump surrogate saying your lives are in danger and they are there to protect you if you simply admit that you were committing election fraud. Then you learn that this entire slander job can be traced back to the President of the United states and his criminal enterprise to overturn the election. And now you are targeting by many right wing Trump crazies threatening your lives.
The right wing is despicable and their Big lie believing crazies are despicable. And their Orange leader is despicable.
By court order, he is already liable to Freeman and Moss (Georgia election workers) for over $200k in legal fees and that number is going to climb a lot as this goes forward. I doubt Giuliani is going to put up a defense on the damages portion of the trial because his lawyers want out, so he will be on the hook for more attorneys' fees and some enormous, unchallenged award.
Giuliani is broke and unable to defend the criminal case against him, and the other criminal and civil cases that are sure to be filed in the next year. He will absolutely be filing for bankruptcy, and contrary to popular belief, bankruptcy leaves you flat broke. Giuliani will live the rest of his life broke and the majority of money he earns with what is left of his celebrity is going to be sent to others.
Some real cosmic unfairness to all this. Giuliani tied his entire life's work to Trump's wagon, fought and crimed as hard as any of Trump's other criminal gang, was totally used and abused by Trump (Trump even plastered him with a plate of spaghetti), and then Giuliani ended up broke for his efforts, while Trump will emerge unscathed, at least financially.
Imagine these two relatively poor women, volunteering to help with the election believing it is their duty as American Citizens (like hundreds of thousands of other volunteers across the US). Then you find yourself a victim of a broad right wing smear and slander campaign for simply being caught on video passing a ginger mint. And then you get a visit from another Trump surrogate saying your lives are in danger and they are there to protect you if you simply admit that you were committing election fraud. Then you learn that this entire slander job can be traced back to the President of the United states and his criminal enterprise to overturn the election. And now you are targeting by many right wing Trump crazies threatening your lives.
The right wing is despicable and their Big lie believing crazies are despicable. And their Orange leader is despicable.
This post needs to be bumped in the context of the discussion of moral equivalences between Democrats and Trump/Trumpist Republicans that's been a subtext of the thread so far.
There's much that could be said about the hypocrisy and even tawdriness of lifetime professional corporate Democrats like Joe Biden. It might even be that he and others around him are corrupt to the point of criminality. But there is simply no equivalent on the Democratic side when it comes to the damage that Trump forces' resort to strategic hate and mayhem has caused in the lives of completely ordinary people.
This extends all the way from the individual victims of racially motivated violence when some true believer is precipitated to act by the "atmospherics" emanating from elements of the GOP leadership, starting with Trump, to the direct, personal targeting of individuals for violent harassment (of which the story of these two polls workers is the most flagrant example). You could add to their stories those of hundreds of civic mind officials and volunteers who did their best, as they always have, to ensure a free and fair election in 2020, who were nevertheless put into the spotlight by the likes of Kari Lake.
It didn't used to clear whether and exactly how Trumpism was a form of homegrown American fascism, but this sort of thing illuminates rather a lot. Fascism always operates at the level of the personal-- fear of personal harm from violent reactionaries close at hand, to be precise. Those who have been personally threatened in political terms by today's American right-- sex and gender non-conformists, racial justice activists, conscientious civic officials-- know what American fascism is. All but for the presence of an independent judiciary, they are already living under it.
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Before Trump is was recognized that the office of President had a bully pulpit. Simply meaning that the office and position carried such power that the words spoken in front of a microphone needed to be chosen carefully because of the weight of the office. It was unthinkable that a sitting US president would broadly attack groups of people and risk the power of the office causing people to turn on these groups of people. Especially minority groups in the country.
Well, to Trump not only was that moral standard obliterated, Trump took it much further. He had absolutely no qualms attacking individual, innocent US citizens even by name from his Presidential office! Trump even used his office to attack a Gold star family because he felt slighted! Think about that for a moment. You lost your son or daughter serving the country and the President is disparaging you because he is not happy with your positions like a two year old.
The lesson with Trump is very simply. An enormously corrupt and narcissistic human being should never, ever be given great power. They have no internal guardrails and can't be bound by morals or standards that normal people would if they entered such a weighty office.
By court order, he is already liable to Freeman and Moss (Georgia election workers) for over $200k in legal fees and that number is going to climb a lot as this goes forward. I doubt Giuliani is going to put up a defense on the damages portion of the trial because his lawyers want out, so he will be on the hook for more attorneys' fees and some enormous, unchallenged award.
Giuliani is broke and unable to defend the criminal case against him, and the other criminal and civil cases that are sure to be filed in the next year. He will absolutely be filing for bankruptcy, and contrary to popular belief, bankruptcy leaves you flat broke. Giuliani will live the rest of his life broke and the majority of money he earns with what is left of his celebrity is going to be sent to others.
Some real cosmic unfairness to all this. Giuliani tied his entire life's work to Trump's wagon, fought and crimed as hard as any of Trump's other criminal gang, was totally used and abused by Trump (Trump even plastered him with a plate of spaghetti), and then Giuliani ended up broke for his efforts, while Trump will emerge unscathed, at least financially.
Imagine these two relatively poor women, volunteering to help with the election believing it is their duty as American Citizens (like hundreds of thousands of other volunteers across the US). Then you find yourself a victim of a broad right wing smear and slander campaign for simply being caught on video passing a ginger mint. And then you get a visit from another Trump surrogate saying your lives are in danger and they are there to protect you if you simply admit that you were committing election fraud. Then you learn that this entire slander job can be traced back to the President of the United states and his criminal enterprise to overturn the election. And now you are targeting by many right wing Trump crazies threatening your lives.
The right wing is despicable and their Big lie believing crazies are despicable. And their Orange leader is despicable.
Imagine these two relatively poor women, volunteering to help with the election believing it is their duty as American Citizens (like hundreds of thousands of other volunteers across the US). Then you find yourself a victim of a broad right wing smear and slander campaign for simply being caught on video passing a ginger mint. And then you get a visit from another Trump surrogate saying your lives are in danger and they are there to protect you if you simply admit that you were committing election fraud. Then you learn that this entire slander job can be traced back to the President of the United states and his criminal enterprise to overturn the election. And now you are targeting by many right wing Trump crazies threatening your lives.
The right wing is despicable and their Big lie believing crazies are despicable. And their Orange leader is despicable.
This post needs to be bumped in the context of the discussion of moral equivalences between Democrats and Trump/Trumpist Republicans that's been a subtext of the thread so far.
There's much that could be said about the hypocrisy and even tawdriness of lifetime professional corporate Democrats like Joe Biden. It might even be that he and others around him are corrupt to the point of criminality. But there is simply no equivalent on the Democratic side when it comes to the damage that Trump forces' resort to strategic hate and mayhem has caused in the lives of completely ordinary people.
This extends all the way from the individual victims of racially motivated violence when some true believer is precipitated to act by the "atmospherics" emanating from elements of the GOP leadership, starting with Trump, to the direct, personal targeting of individuals for violent harassment (of which the story of these two polls workers is the most flagrant example). You could add to their stories those of hundreds of civic mind officials and volunteers who did their best, as they always have, to ensure a free and fair election in 2020, who were nevertheless put into the spotlight by the likes of Kari Lake.
It didn't used to clear whether and exactly how Trumpism was a form of homegrown American fascism, but this sort of thing illuminates rather a lot. Fascism always operates at the level of the personal-- fear of personal harm from violent reactionaries close at hand, to be precise. Those who have been personally threatened in political terms by today's American right-- sex and gender non-conformists, racial justice activists, conscientious civic officials-- know what American fascism is. All but for the presence of an independent judiciary, they are already living under it.
Poor Rudy…I hope they rule that he has to pay out the nose to those poll workers he defamed and is a state of being destitute for the remainder of his life. There will be a special place in hell for him.
Gov. Kemp needs to pardon Rudy ASAP. This is a catastrophic miscarriage of justice. Just catastrophic.
I don't know, man. Rudy caused a lot of unnecessary headaches for guys like Kemp. Giuliani is not popular amongst his former colleagues. Given a choice, I'd bet Kemp would b!tchslap the living fvck out of Giuliani, rather than pardon him.
Never thought of it before, but COVID's impact on education IS a place where Trumpers and bleeding hearts kind of come together:
Bleeding Hearts: "COVID was SO, SO, traumatic and damaging to our children and their learning!!" (...kind of begging the question, "How don't most or all home-schooled kids spend the rest of their lives in group homes?").
Trumpers: "COVID was SO, SO bad for our children because claiming so gives me something to yell about regarding 'liberals' !!!"
Many children actually did better at home during the pandemic. It had much to do with parenting.
