"Pandemic of the unvaccinated" CONFIRMED

2600 bro wrote:

Can you please link to data when you post it?

Doesn't really matter because--once again--"cases" are simply positive tests, and the vaccinatd may tend to test disproportionately often, just as they may tend to wear masks more consistently than the unvaccinated.

...Unless they don't! We're not provided with that information, one way or the other. Unless testing is uniformly distributed across a county's population, cases--and hence CFR--can be misleading in either direction.

In addition, we need to know what percentage of the population in those counties is vaccinated: Adams County is 63% vaccinated; Arapahoe, 62.7%; Douglas, 68.2%.

Makes a difference, doesn't it? Using joe's own (unlinked) stats, that means that in Adams, for example, 37% of the population--the unvaccinated--account for 87% of the deaths.

Uprising wrote:

[As with] every other viral outbreak in history, it is natural immunity which does the heavy lifting, while Big Pharma scrapes and scrambles to take the credit.

Huh. Well, natural immunity had thousands and thousands of years to end smallpox (as literally billions died from it), and never managed it. Vaccination did. Ditto rinderpest.

kibitzer wrote:

Uprising wrote:

[As with] every other viral outbreak in history, it is natural immunity which does the heavy lifting, while Big Pharma scrapes and scrambles to take the credit.

Huh. Well, natural immunity had thousands and thousands of years to end smallpox (as literally billions died from it), and never managed it. Vaccination did. Ditto rinderpest.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfvDEZbVMAIB7-e?format=jpg&name=900x900

Natural immunity simply means mass death and suffering!

Here is a link to the data:

Pull up the break through case data. It involves a little bit of math, which might be asking too much. The really noticeable thing is that while the vaccinated comprised 18% of cases since March, they comprised 35% of cases for September. The CFR for the three counties combined was 0.61% among the vaccinated and 0.70% among the unvaccinated, so the argument that those who get a break through infection with COVID have a better prognosis than the unvaccinated is not really evident in the statistics (they just have a lower rate of infection, and in September's data, the efficacy against infection was far less than claimed).

joed|rtball wrote:

2600 bro wrote:

Can you please link to data when you post it?

Here is a link to the data:

https://tchd.org/823/COVID-19-Data

Pull up the break through case data. It involves a little bit of math, which might be asking too much. The really noticeable thing is that while the vaccinated comprised 18% of cases since March, they comprised 35% of cases for September. The CFR for the three counties combined was 0.61% among the vaccinated and 0.70% among the unvaccinated, so the argument that those who get a break through infection with COVID have a better prognosis than the unvaccinated is not really evident in the statistics (they just have a lower rate of infection, and in September's data, the efficacy against infection was far less than claimed).

Oct 4 (Reuters) - The effectiveness of the Pfizer Inc (PFE.N)/BioNTech SE vaccine in preventing infection by the coronavirus dropped to 47% from 88% six months after the second dose, according to data published on Monday that U.S. health agencies considered when deciding on the need for booster shots.

2600 bro wrote:

kibitzer wrote:

Huh. Well, natural immunity had thousands and thousands of years to end smallpox (as literally billions died from it), and never managed it. Vaccination did. Ditto rinderpest.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfvDEZbVMAIB7-e?format=jpg&name=900x900

Natural immunity simply means mass death and suffering!

If you were an actual biologist you would understand why addressing covid with an mRNA gene therapy is NOTHING like smallpox.

Smallpox only emphasizes how mediocre and non-lethal this whole media-amplified scamdemic truly is to a generally healthy population. A hundred years ago it would have gone by utterly unnoticed. Confgrats on picking such a poor choice as a counterexample.

Scamdemic of The Vaccinators. Keep breathing air into the dying embers!

kibitzer wrote:

Uprising wrote:

[As with] every other viral outbreak in history, it is natural immunity which does the heavy lifting, while Big Pharma scrapes and scrambles to take the credit.

Huh. Well, natural immunity had thousands and thousands of years to end smallpox (as literally billions died from it), and never managed it. Vaccination did. Ditto rinderpest.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfvDEZbVMAIB7-e?format=jpg&name=900x900

Small pox only has human reservoirs. Covid has animal reservoirs. I do not think we have ever eradicated a virus that has animal reservoirs, only managed it. No matter how much we vax we will not get rid of covid.

a different game wrote:

kibitzer wrote:

Huh. Well, natural immunity had thousands and thousands of years to end smallpox (as literally billions died from it), and never managed it. Vaccination did. Ditto rinderpest.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfvDEZbVMAIB7-e?format=jpg&name=900x900

Small pox only has human reservoirs. Covid has animal reservoirs. I do not think we have ever eradicated a virus that has animal reservoirs, only managed it. No matter how much we vax we will not get rid of covid.

Ahh...an enlightened man!

Not getting a shot cost this smooth brain a cool $3M a year. 😂

Uprising wrote: hundred years ago it would have gone by utterly unnoticed. Confgrats on picking such a poor choice as a counterexample.

Scamdemic of The Vaccinators. Keep breathing air into the dying embers!

100 years ago something like 10% of women died in childbirth. It was, to put it mildly, a different era.

If you are fine with 1910’s quality of life, sure ignore COVID. Some of us actually expect things to get better.

“Fellas, COVID wouldn’t be bad in 1910 because everyone was dying of other horrible infectious diseases.” 1000 IQ argument

Uprising wrote:

Haha... as if urban and rural can't exist in the same state? Or virus bypasses some cities in a given wave? Your desperate clutching straws of correlation v. causation is causing your few simian brain cells to implode due to chronically high blood pressure. Please be careful as the resulting aneurysm may shed bad light on your fanatic devotion to The Jab. Which might cause you to fall to a mere 78 posts per day in this thread, surely a tragedy in the making here.

Sounds like you are making the argument that the vaccines are not preventing death — only immunity from infection is causing some places to experience less death than others.

This is obviously false as simply comparing the rate of death from the vaccinated vs unvaccinated populations shows the vaccine is highly protective in the US — even BEFORE accounting for the fact that the more vulnerable are more likely to be vaccinated.

There is also a direct correlation between hospitalizations and vaccination rate. You are claiming that this correlation is actually explained by… prior infected %? Please post data to support that. Still doesn’t explain a state like Vermont that has low COVID deaths, high vax%, and is doing fine.

joed|rtball wrote:

Here is a link to the data:

https://tchd.org/823/COVID-19-Data

Pull up the break through case data. It involves a little bit of math, which might be asking too much. The really noticeable thing is that while the vaccinated comprised 18% of cases since March, they comprised 35% of cases for September. The CFR for the three counties combined was 0.61% among the vaccinated and 0.70% among the unvaccinated, so the argument that those who get a break through infection with COVID have a better prognosis than the unvaccinated is not really evident in the statistics (they just have a lower rate of infection, and in September's data, the efficacy against infection was far less than claimed).

Ahh. This makes sense. It does require a little math. Without breaking cases and deaths out by age, you’re falling for Simpson’s paradox where hidden variable (age) drives both variables under investigation (vax status and outcome). I encourage you to read this piece and wrap your head around it. It can be confusing!

Simpson’s paradox definitely applies here as we know that age is a determiner of IFR and vax status.

Everything everyone else has said about testing rates and such is true as well, but age confounding MUST be addressed in these data sets. It can reverse correlations rather impressively.

Nobody is really arguing that waning against mild disease isn’t happening — whether due to Delta or a drop in circulating abs. Looking at more sophisticated studies on vaccine efficacy remains the way to go…

vaccinatedspermguzzler wrote:

Yessiree Bob wrote:

https://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/2021/10/nick-rolovich-fired-as-washington-state-football-coach-after-refusing-covid-19-vaccine.html

Not getting a shot cost this smooth brain a cool $3M a year. 😂

So what? You'd sell your a**hole to Pete Buttigieg for $3.

Lol MAD ALERT. We got’em boys

Harambe wrote:

Uprising wrote: hundred years ago it would have gone by utterly unnoticed. Confgrats on picking such a poor choice as a counterexample.

Scamdemic of The Vaccinators. Keep breathing air into the dying embers!

100 years ago something like 10% of women died in childbirth. It was, to put it mildly, a different era.

If you are fine with 1910’s quality of life, sure ignore COVID. Some of us actually expect things to get better.

“Fellas, COVID wouldn’t be bad in 1910 because everyone was dying of other horrible infectious diseases.” 1000 IQ argument

1000 IQ? Is that the total IQ for you and your 11 other names?

It is impossible to comprehensively track prior infection at an individual level. The majority of infected people remain asymptomatic or have mild symptoms. The CDC estimated over 120 Million in the US had been infected as of late May. Could be over 200 Million by now.

Shots, or vaccines as some people call them, have been meticulously recorded.

Your propaganda is limping to its ultimate failure. Fauci said people should feel good about a J&J "booster" because it should have been 2 shots all along. The experiment is becoming a farce.

DanM wrote:

It is impossible to comprehensively track prior infection at an individual level. The majority of infected people remain asymptomatic or have mild symptoms. The CDC estimated over 120 Million in the US had been infected as of late May. Could be over 200 Million by now.

Google "seroprevalance"

You are so chaotic and confused for someone so certain of the rightness of their beliefs...and BELIEFS is 100% your paradigm here. Be careful, I sense the coagulatory effects will kick in soon if they haven't already....